Why does Seondeok use Korean language? She should use Chinese language instead.

[Flavo]

1. Countries in the modern Korean peninsula were using Chinese characters (Hanja) and Chinese language for a long time until Sejong, the fourth king of the Joseon dynasty, personally created Korean characters (Hangul) and revealed it in 1443 A.D. Conclusionally, people there were speaking Chinese language and using Chinese characters before 1443 A.D., not Korean characters and Korean language.
2. Queen Seondeok ruled Silla and Silla was fallen in 935 A.D., and therefore people in Silla including Seondeok wouldn’t speak and use Korean characters and Korean language, which were created 508 years later.
3. In sum, Queen Seondeok and people in Silla should speak Chinese language and using Chinese characters based on 1st, 2nd, and literatures.

[colostmy4]

It's a game. Allow it some slack. It's not meant to be a 100% representation of history.

[fsupple1]

What a waste of time this post is! It's a game and not real life. Get a life and play the GAME.

[jonnin]

The historical aspect of this game is warped beyond belief. The history tidbits (who was this guy, IRL? /google ) and quotes aside, take note of this:

teddy roosevelt did not actually commission the building of the great pyramids in english near DC in 5000 BC on an island in the artic.

The things that happen in the games are nonsense cobbled from real things. DC exists, the pyramids exist, and Teddy was a person. The rest of it is made up crap from a game session.

Likewise, Korea was not speaking korean in 6000 BC. Nor was England speaking English and ruled by victoria in 4000BC. Its not historically accurate, its a made up bunch of nonsense.

[Segaro]

You are quite wrong.
People lived on Korean Peninsula has been speaking the Korean language since the beginning.
They just didn't have the written language to represent it until Joseon Dynasty and used the Chinese characters only for the writing.
Therefore, your argument that Seondeok should use Chinese language is quite wrong.

[Jarl Tobi]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Segaro:

You are quite wrong.
People lived on Korean Peninsula has been speaking the Korean language since the beginning.
They just didn't have the written language to represent it until Joseon Dynasty and used the Chinese characters only for the writing.
Therefore, your argument that Seondeok should use Chinese language is quite wrong.

yeah my understanding of korea is that they spoke old Korean couse languages evolve over time like with old english and modern english however they wrote in Chinese couse the Korean alphabet was not invited yet.
so in a way he right but he wrong about the Chinese speaking korea part + maybe they allso knew chinese but old korean was the main language

[iansun]

Sometime I've been really wondering about how chinese act freely in foreign country or community even they kill their own freedom in 1989, tienanmen massacre and now I get answer. Thanks.

[Gerand Darthmore]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Azuo:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Catalytic:

If you want to get into that can of worms, then Phillip II needs to be speaking an older version of Spanish rather than modern. Same with Peter of Russia. Genghis Khan would need a rollback of his Mongolian. Each of the new Chinese leaders would have to speak a distinctly different dialect as their language has evolved over the centuries.

There's only so far you can really take this historical accuracy without being pedantic to the point where finding a voice actor capable of competently translating and speaking the in-game lines would be one of the 12 labors of Hercules. Civ is a historically inspired game, not a historical simulation. It needs to be broadly accurate to major historical themes, but doesn't need to get down to this level of minutiae. Having the Korean leader speak Korean is kind of a no-brainer.

If it's really that big of an issue for you, there's always modding. You could find a speaker to voice the lines as you'd prefer and make a mod.

You are complaining a completely different thing.... I am not talking about old or new. Korean language and words were invented in 1443 A.D., see https://asiasociety.org/education/korean-language. Before 1443, there is NO Korean language, characters or words. Please learn something before reply anything...

Why the hell aren't you complaining about Vietnam you moron!

[Gerand Darthmore]

Oprindeligt skrevet af colostmy4:

It's a game. Allow it some slack. It's not meant to be a 100% representation of history.

Oprindeligt skrevet af fsupple1:

What a waste of time this post is! It's a game and not real life. Get a life and play the GAME.

Because that isn't even true. They used chinese characters true but not the language. They just borrowed it because unfortunately Korea didn't have its own language till invasion of Hangul by king Sejong the great.
Kinda like how Vietnam used chinese characters till invention of Vietnamese characters.
Op is being dumber than a sack of hammers.

[우기여워]

Hey the link that u shared

(https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=https://asiasociety.org/education/korean-language)

Said,

"Before han'gul, other Korean scripts used a complex system of Chinese characters to represent the sounds of Korean. But because of the differences between Chinese and Korean, Chinese characters could not adequately denote Korean speech."

U see, there was diffrerences between chinese and korean before 1443 A.D

King sejong just invented character.

Ps. plz when u have to talk about other countrys history, be careful.

[Gerand Darthmore]

Oprindeligt skrevet af 우기여워:

Hey the link that u shared

(https://steamcommunity.com/linkfilter/?url=https://asiasociety.org/education/korean-language)

Said,

"Before han'gul, other Korean scripts used a complex system of Chinese characters to represent the sounds of Korean. But because of the differences between Chinese and Korean, Chinese characters could not adequately denote Korean speech."

U see, there was diffrerences between chinese and korean before 1443 A.D

King sejong just invented character.

Ps. plz when u have to talk about other countrys history, be careful.

He is part of CCP crew to eat up Korean culture and claim it as part of China

[Aiwa-rikiaR]

This is silly.

First, there is no "Chinese language". There are a variety of Sinitic languages and Korean is distinctly not one of them. What was spoken on the peninsula at that time were Koreanic (or even Japonic) languages.
Certainly, they used the Chinese alphabet (and even borrowed many words), but they repurposed it to fit their language. Sejong created the Hangul alphabet in order to have something that is fit for purpose for Korean.

Instead, you're saying that, somehow, Sejong went "Here's the Hangul alphabet and here's the Korean language, ALL OF YOU STOP SPEAKING CHINESE AND SPEAK KOREAN INSTEAD!!!" and that somehow everyone in the peninsula just learned the new language (that is syntactically completely different from any other Sinitic language) and stopped speaking some Chinese language? It's completely ridiculous to deny the existence of Koreanic languages existing in the peninsula prior to the foundation of modern Korean. That is some weird rewriting of history to make it Chinese that you are doing there.

And simply, Seondok, and Silla, is part of Korea's history and not China's so obviously, Civilization games should use Korean to represent that.

[Gerand Darthmore]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Aiwa-rikiaR:

This is silly.

First, there is no "Chinese language". There are a variety of Sinitic languages and Korean is distinctly not one of them. What was spoken on the peninsula at that time were Koreanic (or even Japonic) languages.
Certainly, they used the Chinese alphabet (and even borrowed many words), but they repurposed it to fit their language. Sejong created the Hangul alphabet in order to have something that is fit for purpose for Korean.

Instead, you're saying that, somehow, Sejong went "Here's the Hangul alphabet and here's the Korean language, ALL OF YOU STOP SPEAKING CHINESE AND SPEAK KOREAN INSTEAD!!!" and that somehow everyone in the peninsula just learned the new language (that is syntactically completely different from any other Sinitic language) and stopped speaking some Chinese language? It's completely ridiculous to deny the existence of Koreanic languages existing in the peninsula prior to the foundation of modern Korean. That is some weird rewriting of history to make it Chinese that you are doing there.

And simply, Seondok, and Silla, is part of Korea's history and not China's so obviously, Civilization games should use Korean to represent that.

I will bet OP thinks ancient Egypt spoke Arabic and upcoming ramses should speak in Arabic.
Lolz.

[조옹훈]

If you want real history in this game, why doesn't the Cultural Revolution and Tiananmen Square come out if you play the game in China? Why don't you protest this, too?

And before Hangul was invented, the language used Korean. Do all Chinese like to insist on stupid and weird logic like you? You guys study history. Stop insisting that other people's history belongs to you.

[TALDARIM]

are you unable to differentiate between language and writing system?
then how did people communicate until the first writing system appeared?

DO NOT waste your time on stupid questions like this.

[wdy1011]

he never understands the difference between language and letters.