Sid Meier's Civilization VI

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HarmlessYoda 2016 年 5 月 19 日 下午 8:26 
引用自 Thundervein
引用自 HarmlessYoda
It matches up with what is coming out of theses forums
no it actually doesnt

Detailed and well discussed rebutal. well said man.
最后由 HarmlessYoda 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 19 日 下午 8:26
Darkwing 2016 年 5 月 19 日 下午 8:36 
引用自 HarmlessYoda
引用自 Thundervein
no it actually doesnt

Detailed and well discussed rebutal. well said man.
What I'm here for. I liked yours, too:
It matches up with what is coming out of theses forums
...like a true scholar, yourself.
Leegh al Gaib 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 12:48 
Yeah I saw that poll a while ago. Just goes to show that this forum is a part of a vocal minority (my inital assumption). And to the people that try writing off Reddit as a bad source, the Civ subreddit has over 140 000 subscribers yet somehow manages a more civil discourse than here.
Beravin 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:50 
引用自 Leegh
Yeah I saw that poll a while ago. Just goes to show that this forum is a part of a vocal minority (my inital assumption). And to the people that try writing off Reddit as a bad source, the Civ subreddit has over 140 000 subscribers yet somehow manages a more civil discourse than here.

Not sure where you get the minority thing from. While I don't go by the results of that poll too much, it states: "The community generally wants small changes to the Civ VI art style, especially to mountains, jungles, forests, the border lines and the overall ‘vibrant design’." That is my point of view as well. It does not need massive, sweeping changes, just a few tweaks.
最后由 Beravin 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:52
Darkwing 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:52 
引用自 Beravin
引用自 Leegh
Yeah I saw that poll a while ago. Just goes to show that this forum is a part of a vocal minority (my inital assumption). And to the people that try writing off Reddit as a bad source, the Civ subreddit has over 140 000 subscribers yet somehow manages a more civil discourse than here.

Not sure where you get the minority thing from. While I don't go by the results of that poll too much, it concludes: "The community generally wants small changes to the Civ VI art style, especially to mountains, jungles, forests, the border lines and the overall ‘vibrant design’.
That's what the author of the poll concluded, not the actual participants. The majority of people who took part in it stated they we're ok with the visuals.
Beravin 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:54 
引用自 Thundervein
引用自 Beravin

Not sure where you get the minority thing from. While I don't go by the results of that poll too much, it concludes: "The community generally wants small changes to the Civ VI art style, especially to mountains, jungles, forests, the border lines and the overall ‘vibrant design’.
That's what the author of the poll concluded, not the actual participants. The majority of people who took part in it stated they we're ok with the visuals.

No, they didnt? That statement I made with the quotes is the authors conclusion based on the information of the poll. It is not an opinion, it is a fact based on his findings. If I recall correctly, certain aspect such as mountains, jungle, forest, borders, etc, were heavily disliked.
最后由 Beravin 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:56
Darkwing 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:57 
引用自 Beravin
引用自 Thundervein
That's what the author of the poll concluded, not the actual participants. The majority of people who took part in it stated they we're ok with the visuals.

No, they didnt? That statement I made with the quotes is the authors conclusion based on the information of the poll. It is not an opinion, it is a fact based on his findings.
He's concluding that around 87%85% would like to see something changed, and what that something is varied from question to question. Overall, most people were positive about the visuals.
最后由 Darkwing 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 1:58
Leegh al Gaib 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:13 
引用自 Beravin
Not sure where you get the minority thing from. While I don't go by the results of that poll too much, it states: "The community generally wants small changes to the Civ VI art style, especially to mountains, jungles, forests, the border lines and the overall ‘vibrant design’." That is my point of view as well. It does not need massive, sweeping changes, just a few tweaks.
That's what the author said, and while true, it is a sweeping statement of the survey. If you break down the results the numbers are mostly skewed towards favourable opinions (rather than unfavourable).

While most people want changes to mountains, jungles, forests etc. they also liked the look of buildings, units, water, coast/ cliffs and wonders. Also, the opinions on the overall design are very mixed, the opposite vibe of what I got on the Steam forum.

From just looking at this forum most people here want BIG improvements or refuse to buy the game at all, while claiming that the community at large feels that way. This survey outright disproves that claim, with 55.6% respondants only wanting small improvements (meaning, they are fine with the way it looks now, just not very excited), and 30.2% wanting bigger improvements.

Wanting improvements /= they don't want or like what they're seeing though. The comments on the survey on Reddit are telling of this.

Even so, more people are fine with the design as is (9.4%) than those who are boycotting (4.9%)
Beravin 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:18 
Most people are not silly enough to actually try and boycott, since its well established that it means nothing if only a few people do it. Either way, I think its perfectly fair to say that, if you are charging $70 (my region price), then the opinions on your art should not be "mixed".

The fact that its mixed in itself is a problem, from my point of view. Most games with a unique art style get a few people who don't like it, while the rest are okay... With Civilization IV, on the other hand, the community is completely divided, so improvements should probably be made.

We have already confirmed that some areas (mountains, forests, jungle... Blah, blah.) have an almost universal dislike against them, and they can be improved without much effort.
最后由 Beravin 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:24
Darkwing 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:33 
You're still assuming that the survey is an accurate portrayal of the games consumer base at large.
With only 7,000 responses and the expected sales figures to be in the millions, it's like asking 100 people in Kentucky who they're voting for and publishing a national poll based on the results...
Beravin 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:36 
引用自 Thundervein
You're still assuming that the survey is an accurate portrayal of the games consumer base at large.
With only 7,000 responses and the expected sales figures to be in the millions, it's like asking 100 people in Kentucky who they're voting for and publishing a national poll based on the results...

By all means, feel free to propose a realistic alternative. Hint, there ain't one, thats why its silly when people make points like this. Literally the only thing anyone has to go on, within reason, is the opinions of themselves and how it stacks up to that of others on forums, media, etc.
最后由 Beravin 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:38
Darkwing 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:37 
引用自 Beravin
引用自 Thundervein
You're still assuming that the survey is an accurate portrayal of the games consumer base at large.
With only 7,000 responses and the expected sales figures to be in the millions, it's like asking 100 people in Kentucky who they're voting for and publishing a national poll based on the results...

By all means, feel free to propose a realistic alternative. Hint, there ain't one, thats why its silly when people make points like this. Literally the only thing anyone has to go on, within reason, is the experience of themselves and how it meshes up with the opinions of others on popular media.
right...so keep quoting that meaningless poll?
Leegh al Gaib 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:52 
引用自 Beravin
Most people are not silly enough to actually try and boycott, since its well established that it means nothing if only a few people do it. Either way, I think its perfectly fair to say that, if you are charging $70 (my region price), then the opinions on your art should not be "mixed".

The fact that its mixed in itself is a problem, from my point of view. Most games with a unique art style get a few people who don't like it, while the rest are okay... With Civilization IV, on the other hand, the community is completely divided, so improvements should probably be made.
So you're saying if the price was lower then mixed opinions...would be ok?
I think the main factor swaying people's opinions both ways is the fact that it is a very different style than the last 2 Civ games, even if improvements were made I don't see the general opinion (based on the survey) changing, at least until we see gameplay.
最后由 Leegh al Gaib 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:54
Beravin 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:54 
引用自 Thundervein
引用自 Beravin

By all means, feel free to propose a realistic alternative. Hint, there ain't one, thats why its silly when people make points like this. Literally the only thing anyone has to go on, within reason, is the experience of themselves and how it meshes up with the opinions of others on popular media.
right...so keep quoting that meaningless poll?

Sigh. I'll be more direct. This answer is 100% more useful than anything you have provided, or anything else anyone else has provided. It holds the right of "most accurate information" based on what is on hand. It can and should be used on the basis that there is nothing better.

引用自 Leegh
引用自 Beravin
Most people are not silly enough to actually try and boycott, since its well established that it means nothing if only a few people do it. Either way, I think its perfectly fair to say that, if you are charging $70 (my region price), then the opinions on your art should not be "mixed".

The fact that its mixed in itself is a problem, from my point of view. Most games with a unique art style get a few people who don't like it, while the rest are okay... With Civilization IV, on the other hand, the community is completely divided, so improvements should probably be made.
So you're saying if the price was lower then mixed opinions...would be ok?
I think the main factor swaying people's opinions both ways is the fact that it is a very different style than the last 2 Civ games, even if improvements were made I don't see the general opinion (based on the survey) changing, at least until we see gameplay.

Actually, yes. People are more forgiving of problems if those problems are less expensive. The idea of AAA games is that they are high cost, and high quality, with the intent to appealing to as many as possible. If people are "mixed", then the AAA game did something wrong.
最后由 Beravin 编辑于; 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:57
Darkwing 2016 年 5 月 20 日 上午 2:56 
Guy, not having a better poll out there doesn't make this a good one. If the only car I have is a broken down PoS it's not suddenly a good car by virtue of being the best one I got.
I'm not fanboy bashing the poll. Hell, it supports my position that most people are fine with the overall aesthetic, but it's not something I would quote. It's not a good poll.
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