Andrew Jackson

[Piercinald Chase]

I really jumped on the hype train when it was revealed additional leaders would be a thing, now originally I desired JFK and Reagan, which I still think are great picks, however I imagine them being too similar (JFK and Reagan both being nuetral but with massive armies for any situation)

But I think President Jackson would be a better civ leader for the sake of variety, because we never had an American leader who was land hungry and dangerous if you were his neighbour. Andrew Jackson, famous for his Indian Removal Act, deeply believed in Manifest Destiny, more so then Washington, and would obtain land by any means required. Jackson was the President who obtained Florida from the Spanish after all, though not by military action.

Petition:
https://www.change.org/p/firaxis-add-andrew-jackson-as-a-leader-in-civilization-vi

[BadMojo]

Gandhi died in 1948, which meant they waited a good 50 years before they could safely use him in their games. JFK died in 1963, so he should be safe to use. Reagan died back in 2004, so i don't think you'll see him for awhile. This isn't written in stone mind you, but it does seem to be a general rule of thumb when using modern leaders in the Civ franchise. They might even need approval from the individual's estate.

Leaders like Jackson though should be fair game. It's just a matter of individual merit and uniqueness they bring to the table.

[AdjectiveBadger]

Point of order: In Civ V, Washington is war-mongering, land-hungry, and generally a chore to share a continent with.

[of Anwyl]

Originally posted by Gerballs:

I really jumped on the hype train when it was revealed additional leaders would be a thing, now originally I desired JFK and Reagan, which I still think are great picks, however I imagine them being too similar (JFK and Reagan both being nuetral but with massive armies for any situation)

But I think President Jackson would be a better civ leader for the sake of variety, because we never had an American leader who was land hungry and dangerous if you were his neighbour. Andrew Jackson, famous for his Indian Removal Act, deeply believed in Manifest Destiny, more so then Washington, and would obtain land by any means required. Jackson was the President who obtained Florida from the Spanish after all, though not by military action.

Reagan would need more of an economic bonus, or perhaps a unique anti nuke bonus (his star wars project). JFK wasn't president for as long but is only known for his foreign policy (embarassing and glorifying alike) so perhaps diplomacy bonuses?

Jackson wasn't great with money, he was probably best military wise and is fairly unique in directly defying the Supreme Court, so I suppose he could have some government bonuses.

[Piercinald Chase]

Originally posted by Adventurer_Blitz:

Originally posted by Gerballs:

I really jumped on the hype train when it was revealed additional leaders would be a thing, now originally I desired JFK and Reagan, which I still think are great picks, however I imagine them being too similar (JFK and Reagan both being nuetral but with massive armies for any situation)

But I think President Jackson would be a better civ leader for the sake of variety, because we never had an American leader who was land hungry and dangerous if you were his neighbour. Andrew Jackson, famous for his Indian Removal Act, deeply believed in Manifest Destiny, more so then Washington, and would obtain land by any means required. Jackson was the President who obtained Florida from the Spanish after all, though not by military action.

Reagan would need more of an economic bonus, or perhaps a unique anti nuke bonus (his star wars project). JFK wasn't president for as long but is only known for his foreign policy (embarassing and glorifying alike) so perhaps diplomacy bonuses?

Jackson wasn't great with money, he was probably best military wise and is fairly unique in directly defying the Supreme Court, so I suppose he could have some government bonuses.

Those are great ideas, espacially with Reagan's Star Wars bonus which sounds pretty cool and useful late game. I agree JFK was a bad at fighting wars (ie. Bay of Pigs Invasion) and would ignore his military advisors constently.

[CrazyVulcan]

Ah good Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson, truly America's most eccentric and provocative president. Really only second to Teddy. Earned the title of Old Hickory not for being old but for using his cane to bead the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who annoyed him. Fought over 100 duels in office and killing a number of them. Annexed and then deported mostly the entire Native population of Florida and added new lands from the Louisiana Purchase. And on his deathbed as his last words remarked on his disappointment of having not killed enough people.

He would be a different type of leader the we are used to seeing take lead of America

edit- My take on how the faction could work

Leader Ability gain +10% Attacking enemies on any continent that you have the most cities on.

Unique Unit: Militiamen - A replacement of the Musket Men and had additional +10% attack.

Unique Building: Hermitage-Replaces the Plantation and produces +1 Hammer to that tile when built. (it's controversial but historically accurate)

Unique District: West Point - Has a ranged attack but is ½ as powerful as from an encampment or city.

Agenda: Manifest Destiny - Wants to be the only nation on his home continent and will work to kick any nation off that shares it.

[Unexpected]

Originally posted by CrazyVulcan:

Ah good Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson, truly America's most eccentric and provocative president. Really only second to Teddy. Earned the title of Old Hickory not for being old but for using his cane to bead the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who annoyed him. Fought over 100 duels in office and killing a number of them. Annexed and then deported mostly the entire Native population of Florida and added new lands from the Louisiana Purchase. And on his deathbed as his last words remarked on his disappointment of having not killed enough people.

He would be a different type of leader the we are used to seeing take lead of America

edit- My take on how the faction could work

Leader Ability gain +10% Attacking enemies on any continent that you have the most cities on.

Unique Unit: Militiamen - A replacement of the Musket Men and had additional +10% attack.

Unique Building: Hermitage-Replaces the Plantation and produces +1 Hammer to that tile when built. (it's controversial but historically accurate)

Unique District: West Point - Has a ranged attack but is ½ as powerful as from an encampment or city.

Agenda: Manifest Destiny - Wants to be the only nation on his home continent and will work to kick any nation off that shares it.

not the entire native population of florida, about a thousand or so seminoles remained in the everglades, and eventually there was a small population increase and the indian reservations were made in florida

[Unexpected]

also, andrew jackson would be very interesting, although expect backlash from the edgy kids who don't like him at all

[Piercinald Chase]

Originally posted by CrazyVulcan:

Ah good Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson, truly America's most eccentric and provocative president. Really only second to Teddy. Earned the title of Old Hickory not for being old but for using his cane to bead the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who annoyed him. Fought over 100 duels in office and killing a number of them. Annexed and then deported mostly the entire Native population of Florida and added new lands from the Louisiana Purchase. And on his deathbed as his last words remarked on his disappointment of having not killed enough people.

He would be a different type of leader the we are used to seeing take lead of America

edit- My take on how the faction could work

Leader Ability gain +10% Attacking enemies on any continent that you have the most cities on.

Unique Unit: Militiamen - A replacement of the Musket Men and had additional +10% attack.

Unique Building: Hermitage-Replaces the Plantation and produces +1 Hammer to that tile when built. (it's controversial but historically accurate)

Unique District: West Point - Has a ranged attack but is ½ as powerful as from an encampment or city.

Agenda: Manifest Destiny - Wants to be the only nation on his home continent and will work to kick any nation off that shares it.

Very nice, I especially like the Unique Unit type as Jackson is famous for having won the Battle of New Orleans.

[Piercinald Chase]

Originally posted by CrazyVulcan:

Ah good Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson, truly America's most eccentric and provocative president. Really only second to Teddy. Earned the title of Old Hickory not for being old but for using his cane to bead the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who annoyed him. Fought over 100 duels in office and killing a number of them. Annexed and then deported mostly the entire Native population of Florida and added new lands from the Louisiana Purchase. And on his deathbed as his last words remarked on his disappointment of having not killed enough people.

He would be a different type of leader the we are used to seeing take lead of America

edit- My take on how the faction could work

Leader Ability gain +10% Attacking enemies on any continent that you have the most cities on.

Unique Unit: Militiamen - A replacement of the Musket Men and had additional +10% attack.

Unique Building: Hermitage-Replaces the Plantation and produces +1 Hammer to that tile when built. (it's controversial but historically accurate)

Unique District: West Point - Has a ranged attack but is ½ as powerful as from an encampment or city.

Agenda: Manifest Destiny - Wants to be the only nation on his home continent and will work to kick any nation off that shares it.

I hope you don't mind but I used your draft as a proposition in a petition I made to include Jackon in Civ VI, I'll delete it if you wish.

[CrazyVulcan]

Originally posted by Gerballs:

Originally posted by CrazyVulcan:

Ah good Andrew "Old Hickory" Jackson, truly America's most eccentric and provocative president. Really only second to Teddy. Earned the title of Old Hickory not for being old but for using his cane to bead the ever living ♥♥♥♥ out of anyone who annoyed him. Fought over 100 duels in office and killing a number of them. Annexed and then deported mostly the entire Native population of Florida and added new lands from the Louisiana Purchase. And on his deathbed as his last words remarked on his disappointment of having not killed enough people.

He would be a different type of leader the we are used to seeing take lead of America

edit- My take on how the faction could work

Leader Ability gain +10% Attacking enemies on any continent that you have the most cities on.

Unique Unit: Militiamen - A replacement of the Musket Men and had additional +10% attack.

Unique Building: Hermitage-Replaces the Plantation and produces +1 Hammer to that tile when built. (it's controversial but historically accurate)

Unique District: West Point - Has a ranged attack but is ½ as powerful as from an encampment or city.

Agenda: Manifest Destiny - Wants to be the only nation on his home continent and will work to kick any nation off that shares it.

I hope you don't mind but I used your draft as a proposition in a petition I made to include Jackon in Civ VI, I'll delete it if you wish.

You're fine :) it is meant to be seen so anyone can share it as you wish.

[White Shadow]

I'd like to see a culture-heavy America under Thomas Jefferson. Something like:

Leader Ability: Gain a free great writer when you adopt a new government.

Unique Unit: Super Frigate. Replaces Frigate. +25% strength when defending. Costs 10% more to produce.

Unique Building: University of Virginia. Only one copy can be built. Has all effects of the normal university, however when completed, triggers three random "inspirations" from the civics tree.

Agenda: Hates religious civs, friendly towards those who have the same government.

[Piercinald Chase]

Originally posted by Casimir III of Poland:

I'd like to see a culture-heavy America under Thomas Jefferson. Something like:

Leader Ability: Gain a free great writer when you adopt a new government.

Unique Unit: Super Frigate. Replaces Frigate. +25% strength when defending. Costs 10% more to produce.

Unique Building: University of Virginia. Only one copy can be built. Has all effects of the normal university, however when completed, triggers three random "inspirations" from the civics tree.

Agenda: Hates religious civs, friendly towards those who have the same government.

Jefferson wouldn't be a bad leader idea either, I'd love to see him or any other President other then the usual Washington, Lincoln, or FDR

[of Anwyl]

Originally posted by Gerballs:

Originally posted by Casimir III of Poland:

I'd like to see a culture-heavy America under Thomas Jefferson. Something like:

Leader Ability: Gain a free great writer when you adopt a new government.

Unique Unit: Super Frigate. Replaces Frigate. +25% strength when defending. Costs 10% more to produce.

Unique Building: University of Virginia. Only one copy can be built. Has all effects of the normal university, however when completed, triggers three random "inspirations" from the civics tree.

Agenda: Hates religious civs, friendly towards those who have the same government.

Jefferson wouldn't be a bad leader idea either, I'd love to see him or any other President other then the usual Washington, Lincoln, or FDR

Other good presidents could include:

James k. Polk: Conquest bonuses, perhaps a reduction to whatever the warscore mechanic is by manufacturing reasons for war.

James Monroe: Some kind of defensive war bonus.

Harry S. Truman: A bonus to reduce the effect of using nuclear weapons on diplomatic relations perhaps.

As for Jefferson, shouldn't he have a more land expansion orientation considering the Lousiana Purchase?

[SamBC]

From the way they're presented in the videos, it sounds like an alternate leader will only change the leader ability and the agenda, not the UU, UI/B/D, or civ ability. We just know of one case where the leader ability also gives an extra UU, in the case of Teddy - this is not usual.

[Piercinald Chase]

Originally posted by SamBC:

From the way they're presented in the videos, it sounds like an alternate leader will only change the leader ability and the agenda, not the UU, UI/B/D, or civ ability. We just know of one case where the leader ability also gives an extra UU, in the case of Teddy - this is not usual.

That is strange, maybe that means they already have an alternate American leader planned.