Native Americans

[WaitNoDont]

Usually we get a North America Native American civilization in the base game, even if its just "Native Americans", however this time we did not. Do you think it could possibly be that they're discarding the native americans? I have a feeling that there will be a few coming out in DLC but I hope that doesn't mean any less. Also do you think Polynesia will make a return as well?

[BadMojo]

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If it's true that Mongols aren't in, the developers are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded

The Mongols aren't in the vanilla release. But then, they weren't in Civ5 either - they were a free DLC post-launch.

They also didn't have the Scythians take away everything that made them distinctive, unlike this time around. I hope the Mongols come back. I really do. But as it stands...

[Bouncer]

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The Mongols aren't in the vanilla release. But then, they weren't in Civ5 either - they were a free DLC post-launch.

They also didn't have the Scythians take away everything that made them distinctive, unlike this time around. I hope the Mongols come back. I really do. But as it stands...

I believe the Scythians took over the role of the huns, not the Mongols. If I recall correctly the Mongols were terrors in the medieval era when they got keshiks, while Tom and the huns were all about early game warfare with horse archers.

[of Anwyl]

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Escrito originalmente por BadMojo:

They also didn't have the Scythians take away everything that made them distinctive, unlike this time around. I hope the Mongols come back. I really do. But as it stands...

I believe the Scythians took over the role of the huns, not the Mongols. If I recall correctly the Mongols were terrors in the medieval era when they got keshiks, while Tom and the huns were all about early game warfare with horse archers.

The Huns main warring unit was the battering ram. They got a really early siege unit, which allowed them to sack lots of cities early on. They did get a horse archer unit, but it wasn't nearly as strong as the keshik and khan combination with Mongolia. I;d say Sycthia took over from Mongolia.

[jcp011c2]

I am hoping we see some Native American Civs down the road. At least two, as I fear that having just one might end up with a Civ4 type scenario, where Sittting Bull represented ALL Native American nations. I do hope Sitting Bull is in the game though but as a representiave of the Sioux nation. Additionally either the Iriquois or Cherokee would be most welcome. Any would be really those are just at the top of my list.

For a an extremely unique choice due to potential terrain bonuses I am also hoping we will eventually have the Inuit in the game.

[of Anwyl]

Escrito originalmente por jcp011c2:

I am hoping we see some Native American Civs down the road. At least two, as I fear that having just one might end up with a Civ4 type scenario, where Sittting Bull represented ALL Native American nations. I do hope Sitting Bull is in the game though but as a representiave of the Sioux nation. Additionally either the Iriquois or Cherokee would be most welcome. Any would be really those are just at the top of my list.

For a an extremely unique choice due to potential terrain bonuses I am also hoping we will eventually have the Inuit in the game.

The Russians were already confirmed to have tundra bonuses, I doubt they would include Inuit solely to fill a terrain bonus niche that has already been filled.

[Marbaus]

Seems like many Civs in this one has their leaders claiming territories outside of the usual, like Gerrmany claiming being more like the 'holy roman empire' territories rather than the modern territory due to their leader's territories at that time. My guess is that they may have a leader of the native americans that leads many tribes/tribal territories, like the confederation etc... It's anyones guess but I am positive they will add them in later in some form.

[BadMojo]

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I am hoping we see some Native American Civs down the road. At least two, as I fear that having just one might end up with a Civ4 type scenario, where Sittting Bull represented ALL Native American nations. I do hope Sitting Bull is in the game though but as a representiave of the Sioux nation. Additionally either the Iriquois or Cherokee would be most welcome. Any would be really those are just at the top of my list.

For a an extremely unique choice due to potential terrain bonuses I am also hoping we will eventually have the Inuit in the game.

The Russians were already confirmed to have tundra bonuses, I doubt they would include Inuit solely to fill a terrain bonus niche that has already been filled.

Ah - but the Inuit actually specialize in ice, not tundra. ;)

If the Russians get bonus production and faith from tundra, then the Inuit could get bonus food and culture from tundra instead. They could also get bonus food from whale and fish. Best of all, give Inuit units the unique ability to traverse ice tiles.

That would make them unique.

Besides which, by the time the last expansion comes out, i'm sure we'll have some overlapping niches anyway. Scythians and Mongols for example.

[Belanos]

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Ah - but the Inuit actually specialize in ice, not tundra. ;)

But the Inuit didn't have much of a civilization either. They barely got past the stone age, and have had almost zero impact on global culture and development.

[BadMojo]

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Ah - but the Inuit actually specialize in ice, not tundra. ;)

But the Inuit didn't have much of a civilization either. They barely got past the stone age, and have had almost zero impact on global culture and development.

They were doing just fine until the Europeans came along. The same thing happened to every Native American tribe, and they still get represented in the Civ games.

They have a distinct culture that gave us the kayak and the sled dog. That is not zero impact my friend.

[WaitNoDont]

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Ah - but the Inuit actually specialize in ice, not tundra. ;)

But the Inuit didn't have much of a civilization either. They barely got past the stone age, and have had almost zero impact on global culture and development.

It wouldn't be too far fetched if the Inuit people were willing to do it. In Civilization V, the original plan for the Brave New World Native American Civ was the Pueblo, however they cancelled at the last minute despite having many assets of it done because the Pueblo didn't want to have their language in a game or something like that, so they scrapped it and we now have the Shoshone.

[jcp011c2]

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The Russians were already confirmed to have tundra bonuses, I doubt they would include Inuit solely to fill a terrain bonus niche that has already been filled.

Ah - but the Inuit actually specialize in ice, not tundra. ;)

If the Russians get bonus production and faith from tundra, then the Inuit could get bonus food and culture from tundra instead. They could also get bonus food from whale and fish. Best of all, give Inuit units the unique ability to traverse ice tiles.

That would make them unique.

Besides which, by the time the last expansion comes out, i'm sure we'll have some overlapping niches anyway. Scythians and Mongols for example.

In regards to the terrain, I was actually meaning ice, that is correct. I think it would be unique, i'm not sure if anything has ever been done with ice before. Maybe +1 prodction and +1 food. Or +1 movement (so that would be any movement lol) over ice or something. Igloo gives extra housing (since we now will have housing districts). Sled dogs/ kayak for unit unit.

Just some thoughts on how it could be implemented. I'm not of Inuit heritage so I'm not saying "they're the best" or anything, just something that would be totally unique.

[of Anwyl]

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Escrito originalmente por BadMojo:

Ah - but the Inuit actually specialize in ice, not tundra. ;)

If the Russians get bonus production and faith from tundra, then the Inuit could get bonus food and culture from tundra instead. They could also get bonus food from whale and fish. Best of all, give Inuit units the unique ability to traverse ice tiles.

That would make them unique.

Besides which, by the time the last expansion comes out, i'm sure we'll have some overlapping niches anyway. Scythians and Mongols for example.

In regards to the terrain, I was actually meaning ice, that is correct. I think it would be unique, i'm not sure if anything has ever been done with ice before. Maybe +1 prodction and +1 food. Or +1 movement (so that would be any movement lol) over ice or something. Igloo gives extra housing (since we now will have housing districts). Sled dogs/ kayak for unit unit.

Just some thoughts on how it could be implemented. I'm not of Inuit heritage so I'm not saying "they're the best" or anything, just something that would be totally unique.

Snow would probably make more sense from a gameplay perspective though. I don't know how Civ VI works in this regard but in Civ V ice was mostly unaccessible.

[Belanos]

Escrito originalmente por BadMojo:

They have a distinct culture that gave us the kayak and the sled dog. That is not zero impact my friend.

I did say "almost" zero impact. And while their culture may have been unique, their level of development was extremely low. They never even used metallurgy, all of their tools were made of either bone or stone.

[BadMojo]

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Escrito originalmente por BadMojo:

They have a distinct culture that gave us the kayak and the sled dog. That is not zero impact my friend.

I did say "almost" zero impact. And while their culture may have been unique, their level of development was extremely low. They never even used metallurgy, all of their tools were made of either bone or stone.

After the Europeans showed up, the Inuit would occasionally raid their whaling stations and take their iron - much like the native tribes in North America would acquire muskets and other goodies from their new European neighbors. They even traded with the Vikings in the early days.

Point being, if similar non-metal working civs (Iroquois, Shoshone, Zulu, etc) are allowed in the Civ franchise, there is no reason to exclude the Inuit.

Quite frankly, the biggest challenge to creating an Inuit civ is finding a leader to represent them.