Native Americans

[WaitNoDont]

Usually we get a North America Native American civilization in the base game, even if its just "Native Americans", however this time we did not. Do you think it could possibly be that they're discarding the native americans? I have a feeling that there will be a few coming out in DLC but I hope that doesn't mean any less. Also do you think Polynesia will make a return as well?

[BlackSmokeDMax]

The Inuit someone mentioned earlier in the thread would be very interesting. Love to see that!

[Belanos]

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However, the really significant tribes of North America would have been the ones on the east coast like the Iroquois and the Algonquin or the Cherokee and the Creek.

The Iroquois most definitely. The lead a confederation of six native tribes and had more or less permanent settlements over a fairly large territory, while also relying on agriculture instead of just hunting and gathering. They were the dominant group in the Great Lakes/New England area. Another group would be the West Coast tribes, like the Haida and the Salish etc. They had a very refined culture and again lived in permanent settlements, though relying more on the ocean to sustain their civilization.

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The Inuit someone mentioned earlier in the thread would be very interesting. Love to see that!

They were rather backwards compared to a lot of other native tribes. They never progressed much past basic hunters and gatherers until the Europeans showed up.

[Ewok_Pride]

ok - Native American tribes are organized based on culture/language more than geographical location.

for game purposes it would make sense to have 3 in the long run (common names and larger groups is generally better or something a general audiance can identify)

1.) Aztec, Inca or Mayan
2.) Iroquois, Cherokee, or Creek
3.) Commanche, Sioux, or Pueblo (add a little variety)

[Fņŏŕď]

What about the Silutrians the whites that lived here before the indians?

[Hobo]

Tecumseh would make a great Native American leader - especially since he was trying to create an independent Native American nation.

[SamBC]

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What about the Silutrians the whites that lived here before the indians?

Given that the solutrean hypothesis is mostly celebrated and supported by neo-nazis, I think that falls under the heading "topics likely to lead to huge arguments".

But I'm guessing you knew that... so let's not do any more posts aimed at stirring up trouble, hmm?

[of Anwyl]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Scheneighnay:

Iroquois are almost a guarantee because of how advanced their government was.

However, I don't think you can justify having random tribes (like the shoshone in V) added, because they aren't historically relevant.

I bet they'll still shoehorn some in, though.

The Sioux they could get away with being relevant, though the Cherokee would likely be more apt. On the other hand we've had the Iroquois alot over the past few games, so maybe it would just be best to use a different east coast forestland tribe like the algonquin who were big rivals of the Iroquois. Although if you want to get a really new faction you coould go for something like the Wampanoags under Metacomet. (King Philip)

[BadMojo]

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The Sioux they could get away with being relevant, though the Cherokee would likely be more apt. On the other hand we've had the Iroquois alot over the past few games, so maybe it would just be best to use a different east coast forestland tribe like the algonquin who were big rivals of the Iroquois. Although if you want to get a really new faction you coould go for something like the Wampanoags under Metacomet. (King Philip)

There's no reason to stop using a civ just because it's been in so many games.

The Iroquois keep making appearances because the Iroquois were actually advanced.

Tell that to the Mongols...

[of Anwyl]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Adventurer_Blitz:

The Sioux they could get away with being relevant, though the Cherokee would likely be more apt. On the other hand we've had the Iroquois alot over the past few games, so maybe it would just be best to use a different east coast forestland tribe like the algonquin who were big rivals of the Iroquois. Although if you want to get a really new faction you coould go for something like the Wampanoags under Metacomet. (King Philip)

There's no reason to stop using a civ just because it's been in so many games.

The Iroquois keep making appearances because the Iroquois were actually advanced.

I'm not trying to belittle them, its just that Civ VI seems to have a theme for introducing new civs and leaders so It would make since for them to try out something other than the Iroquois to represent the eastern coast woodland tribes.

[of Anwyl]

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Tell that to the Mongols...

If it's true that Mongols aren't in, the developers are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded

And as far as anyone knows it is true that the mongols are not in. Their niche as horse archers seems to have been taken by the Scythians andI don't think that the devs really care all that much for mongol spinoffs like Kublai Khans China, or the Golden Horde.

[of Anwyl]

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I'm not trying to belittle them, its just that Civ VI seems to have a theme for introducing new civs and leaders so It would make since for them to try out something other than the Iroquois to represent the eastern coast woodland tribes.

That's like saying we should remove the US to add Canada, or remove Britain to add Ireland.

Except unlike the Canadians and the Irish the Algonquins were a significant force compared to the Iroquois. I'll grant you that the Iroquois had one of the most centralized of all Northern North American tribes (obviously this was eclipsed by the southern empires i.e. Aztec, Inca, etc.) but people like the Cherokee were also highly centralized and would fill a similar niche of living in east coast forestland. Plus, the Cherokee also outlived the Iroquois as a power.

[BadMojo]

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That's like saying we should remove the US to add Canada, or remove Britain to add Ireland.

Except unlike the Canadians and the Irish the Algonquins were a significant force compared to the Iroquois. I'll grant you that the Iroquois had one of the most centralized of all Northern North American tribes (obviously this was eclipsed by the southern empires i.e. Aztec, Inca, etc.) but people like the Cherokee were also highly centralized and would fill a similar niche of living in east coast forestland. Plus, the Cherokee also outlived the Iroquois as a power.

Being part Cherokee, i'd love to see them in the game.

Being mostly Irish.....whaaaaaaaat? Not significant? My Irish dander is up! Time to start chest pounding with national fervor!

Nah, it's true. We spent more time drinking and fighting amongst ourselves rather than empire building. Though i wouldn't be against an Irish civ with a unique Distillery District. ;)

[Belanos]

Początkowo opublikowane przez BadMojo:

Nah, it's true. We spent more time drinking and fighting amongst ourselves rather than empire building. Though i wouldn't be against an Irish civ with a unique Distillery District. ;)

Początkowo opublikowane przez Scheneighnay:

I mean, the Celts kindof work (although they're definitely a blanket civ), but yeah, the closest Ireland has ever gone to being on the world stage is taking part in the Spanish civil war.

The Irish had more historical influence than you may realize. Not having been conquered by the Romans, their society didn't crumble to the extent that others in Europe did. And when they adopted Christianity, they developed a strong monastic tradition. So they helped preserve a lot of the knowledge that other nations lost during the Dark Ages. Later, when those times were coming to an end, their missionaries started travelling around Western Europe, spreading some of that knowledge around. There even was a time where it was considered that Ireland should be the home of the Catholic Church, not Rome.

[donald23]

Let me put out the reminder here as well:
No talking down of other nations and leave your nationalistic crap at home. We don't need it here.

[SamBC]

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Tell that to the Mongols...

If it's true that Mongols aren't in, the developers are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded

The Mongols aren't in the vanilla release. But then, they weren't in Civ5 either - they were a free DLC post-launch.