Germany =/= Holy Roman Empire

[Skeletonking]

just saying.

[Clord]

Video Game =/= Historical Accuracy

When it comes to history, games tend to have creative liberties. Especially in a game where you can build wonders belonging to other nations and map doesn't look anything like the Earth's continents (unless randomly generated to be similar.) You can research technology hundreds years in advance or late, etc.

[Captain Giggity]

We have immortal leaders in the game. I think that fact alone puts this game in the fantasy genre.

[Abaddon1]

And Ghandi never ruled India, Pericles is Athenian and Catherine de Medici doesn't much sense for France. It is what it is, I'm just glad they've gotten out of the Augustus/Julius rut for Roman leaders (thugh I'd personaly preferr one of the Scipii or even Sulla to these imperial era rulers). Too bad Asoka isn't back from IV though, its nice to have an actual leader of India in the game once in a while.

[Bouncer]

I'd say the immortal leaders is because having different leaders every so many years would be rather impossible. That ain't what's making this game a fantasy. Though it's still fantasy for its many other elements. Historical fantasy, I think is the proper phrase?

Anyway, I believe this topic is about barracuda, as my phone insists on calling him.

That guy did have King of Germany as one of his titles. Seems like that makes him fitting to rule the German people in this game?

[SamBC]

Plus at that point in history (and for most of the time it existed), the HRE was a German thing. We're talking about the time before nation-states, here - most of the nationality-wise German world was in the HRE, and not terribly much else.

[Abaddon1]

Originally posted by SamBC:

Plus at that point in history (and for most of the time it existed), the HRE was a German thing. We're talking about the time before nation-states, here - most of the nationality-wise German world was in the HRE, and not terribly much else.

Depends how you define "nationality-wise German" though. If you mean that the HRE at the time covered most of what is now the "German" nation-state then yes, but if you are talking about the Germanic peoples speaking a member of the Germanic language family its not all encompassing (though most of the other groups get pulled into one civ or another).

[SamBC]

Originally posted by Abaddon1:

Originally posted by SamBC:

Plus at that point in history (and for most of the time it existed), the HRE was a German thing. We're talking about the time before nation-states, here - most of the nationality-wise German world was in the HRE, and not terribly much else.

Depends how you define "nationality-wise German" though. If you mean that the HRE at the time covered most of what is now the "German" nation-state then yes, but if you are talking about the Germanic peoples speaking a member of the Germanic language family its not all encompassing (though most of the other groups get pulled into one civ or another).

Germanic is wider than German; the various bits of the HRE spoke dialects closer to one another than they were to other Germanic languages (like the Scandinavian ones, for instance). Also a matter of national identity - both self-identity and external identity. Much as a lot of different places that were separate polities were all "Italian", so were many of the members of the HRE "German".

[nekto]

^^ also sad to hear about it... staff should be more accurate, hope they 'll changed it

[Rhudda]

Originally posted by nekto:

^^ also sad to hear about it... staff should be more accurate, hope they 'll changed it

Civ has never been about historical accuracy. The whole point of the game is to take a cool civ and see what you can do with it. It's alt history.

[mitchincredible]

Depends what you're defining as 'Germany'. If you mean the modern day country, obviously not. If you mean the region containing Germanic peoples, then hell yes it does equal Germany.

[BINARYGOD]

Originally posted by mitchincredible:

Depends what you're defining as 'Germany'. If you mean the modern day country, obviously not. If you mean the region containing Germanic peoples, then hell yes it does equal Germany.

This.

Keep in mind that the devs don't base the civs/leaders/etc purely on the way the world exists today, or the more obvious parts of history.

I feel if people kept this in mind, there would fewer questions regarding leader choices or anything of the such.

[Qoojo]

Surprising amount of discussion given the OP. Was there some sort of announcement or video declaring Germany = HRE?

[SamBC]

Originally posted by Qoojo:

Surprising amount of discussion given the OP. Was there some sort of announcement or video declaring Germany = HRE?

The leader of Germany in Civ6 was a Holy Roman Emperor.

[Qoojo]

Ok, thank you for the bit of context.

[Abaddon1]

Originally posted by SamBC:

The leader of Germany in Civ6 was a Holy Roman Emperor.

Though it appears he was elected King of Germany first, gained the titles of King of Italy and Roman Emperor 3 years later, The empire became holy (first instance of "sacrum") approximately 2 years after that, and finally picked up King of Burgundy as a title as well. He was Duke of Swabia by birth. Those older leaders picked up titles left and right.