Berserker Fail or How Norway got Robbed

[Llywylln]

Usually, a Civ Unique Unit is an 'Advantage' when it becomes available. No so for Norway. The Civ unique Berserker which in past editions was a classical unit is now Medieval. It is placed parallel to the Knight and has the exact same cost as one. However the berserker is inferior to the knight in all respects except one: it doesn't suffer 'anti-cavalry' penalties. Otherwise, the knight is 48 STR when the berserker is 33/47 (Def/Att) the Knight is always 4 move while the Berserker only gets that in enemy territory. The funniest thing here is that in order to make a Berserker, you need 'Military Tactics' which boils down to this one comment which says it all in a nutshell. "You need to learn Mathematics in order to train Berserkers."

[Corgisaurus]

引用自 Panic Fire：

Its almost like you back up the berserkers with pikemen so that they have a defensive line to fall back to....... almost like utilizing tactics.... wait what was the military tech needed for berserkers again?

Berserkers serve a very powerful purpose. They can litterally eat away an entire city in a turn or two with pillaging. Which is what you are supposed to use them for. That pillaging is there purpose. The fact that really only the knight unit can activly defend against berserkers says a lot about the unit.

The best counter for Berserkers are Crossbowmen behind anything that can take hits. Range counters everything. On the topic of Pillaging like I said Berserkers have 2 movement in normal terrain, they can't expliot openings as well as knights can. Plus you take two times longer to get them to the enemy.

You're not getting the point. Point is they're about as good as Knights give and take a little, BUT the whole point of a UU is to give an Advantage; NOT an Alternative.

[blkbutterfly]

Norway gets the Longship, a pretty awesome unit.

The Berserkers are "attack and retreat" units (cos they'll get killed quickly o/w). Mostly useful for making room for your knights, pikemen, etc. to actually perform an inland siege.

In comparison, the Samurai (a comtemporary unit in Civ VI) is much better at attacking and fortifying.

[ambershee]

If you wanted a fast pillager, the Knights are better value as they can actually flee retaliation / hit and run properly.

Crossbows annihilate Berserkers.

[blkbutterfly]

引用自 ambershee：

If you wanted a fast pillager, the Knights are better value as they can actually flee retaliation / hit and run properly.

Crossbows annihilate Berserkers.

IMO Berserkers are good at attacking maybe a fortified unit inside enemy territory. Yes, pillage a farm or two for health and to keep going. But after that you want to retreat them pronto

[Tatanka]

people praise vikings and berserkers way to high
sure they were a menace back in those days, but thats about it, just another menace
berserkers follow same line, sure they where fearsome, usefull? i think not, quite the opposite in fact
roman legionnaires where far more effective in getting the job done they where created for
berserkers? madman just chopping away and hope it accomplishes something

[ambershee]

The Vikings had an enormously profound effect on the cultural diaspora of Europe, as well as establishing trade networks and routes that are still in use today.

The idea that the Vikings were nothing but berserk raiders is literally just a demonisation due to a single event in English history. In reality, their craftsmanship and technical achievements were really quite impressive.

It'd have been nice if the Viking civilisation would have depicted them as explorers and traders, more than just raiders, but I guess stereotypes are easy.

[Llywylln]

This is like the Zombie thread rising from the grave months after I started it that now has more life than it did when I wrote the OP and has become something very different. The magiv of public forums.

[Oaks]

引用自 ambershee：

The Vikings had an enormously profound effect on the cultural diaspora of Europe, as well as establishing trade networks and routes that are still in use today.

The idea that the Vikings were nothing but berserk raiders is literally just a demonisation due to a single event in English history. In reality, their craftsmanship and technical achievements were really quite impressive.

It'd have been nice if the Viking civilisation would have depicted them as explorers and traders, more than just raiders, but I guess stereotypes are easy.

Can't they also go into the ocean earlier than other civs? So thats kinda the explorer aspect at least.

[ambershee]

引用自 oaks2nin：

引用自 ambershee：

The Vikings had an enormously profound effect on the cultural diaspora of Europe, as well as establishing trade networks and routes that are still in use today.

The idea that the Vikings were nothing but berserk raiders is literally just a demonisation due to a single event in English history. In reality, their craftsmanship and technical achievements were really quite impressive.

It'd have been nice if the Viking civilisation would have depicted them as explorers and traders, more than just raiders, but I guess stereotypes are easy.

Can't they also go into the ocean earlier than other civs? So thats kinda the explorer aspect at least.

Whilst true, it's literally only the tech immediately before, so it's not exactly a huge bonus.