Civ or endless legend?

[Xistance]

I'm a long time fan of the civilization series, civ 4 imo being the best. I felt a little let down by the gameplay in civ 5 that just seemed a little hollow.

Lately I bought endless legend on the steram discount sale for around £7 ish, then when I finally got around to playing it, the game completely blew me away. The way endless letgend handles minor factions is something that would of benefited civ game immensely instead of the same old barbarian camps that are nothing more that something to kill. Everything about endless legend seems to be implemented a lot better than any of the civ franchise, from the city management and seige system to the diplomacy.

In summary, I'd say unless the civilization series seriously raises its game with the release of civ 6, then with competition like endless legend raising the bar, the civ games are pretty much obsolete now

[TheG0DMachine]

These are two different 4X games. I enjoy Endless Legends a lot, but they're completely different. If you believe that Endless Legend is competition to Civ, then I'm sorry but you're wrong. Civ will continue to improve and push out content. Endless Legend has been done for a rather long time and the company has moved onto a sequel to Endless Space. Also, don't buy Endless Space 2 yet, it's far too early to buy even though it shows signs of quality. I'd say Stellaris is far more capable of putting up competition to Civ 6 due to the pure complexity of the game.

[Widget]

Originally posted by IRHFAPA:

These are two different 4X games. I enjoy Endless Legends a lot, but they're completely different. If you believe that Endless Legend is competition to Civ, then I'm sorry but you're wrong. Civ will continue to improve and push out content. Endless Legend has been done for a rather long time and the company has moved onto a sequel to Endless Space. Also, don't buy Endless Space 2 yet, it's far too early to buy even though it shows signs of quality. I'd say Stellaris is far more capable of putting up competition to Civ 6 due to the pure complexity of the game.

while all of your poitns are valid i will say this in defence of endless legend they did just release new dlc, so i wouldnt say its quite dead yet.

[Red Dragon]

Both are great games, but I really think I'd enjoy Endless Legend more if it didn't have the semi-autonomous tactical combat. Not because I don't understand it or anything, I totally get how it works but it adds a tactical layer that feels like its wasting my time when really I'd rather focus on strategy rather than tactics. Civ VI handles it all on the strategic view and I like that more.

[Twelvefield]

I bought Endless Legend in that sale, too. I kind of liked Endless Space, but the AI was too weak to be enjoyable. I look forward to the sequel, but my game-buying days are over for a while thanks to my wallet having a leak.

[Xistance]

Originally posted by IRHFAPA:

These are two different 4X games. I enjoy Endless Legends a lot, but they're completely different. If you believe that Endless Legend is competition to Civ, then I'm sorry but you're wrong. Civ will continue to improve and push out content. Endless Legend has been done for a rather long time and the company has moved onto a sequel to Endless Space. Also, don't buy Endless Space 2 yet, it's far too early to buy even though it shows signs of quality. I'd say Stellaris is far more capable of putting up competition to Civ 6 due to the pure complexity of the game.

Stellaris is still dwarfed by distant worlds universe as it stands, though hopefully it will develop more and more. As for Endless legend and civ being completely different genres of game, I feel I have to disagree. Both these games are a game were y ou have a world to colonize, you pick a race, research techs, go to war etc, however endless legend seems to just do it a lot better. Its not just endless legent that I feel has beaten all teh civ games though: Pandora first contact, was an amazing game that also made the civ series look pretty bad by comparison. Lets not forget that civ 5 was the 5th try in a series of games and it still didnt compare to either pandora or endless legend. I felt civ 5 was a MASSIVE let down, which offered notyhing new other than ranged combat with archers, that just began to feel hollow after a while. The diplomacy in civ 5 was incredibly poor and in many respects if felt like the game had been dumbed down a lot from earlier incarnations of the civ series. I cant help but feel like the makers of civ have fallen into the trap of just riding the gravy train of their player base whilst offering nothing new or inovative in terms of gameplay mechanics.

[Off-Suit Nines]

Originally posted by IRHFAPA:

These are two different 4X games. I enjoy Endless Legends a lot, but they're completely different. If you believe that Endless Legend is competition to Civ, then I'm sorry but you're wrong. Civ will continue to improve and push out content. Endless Legend has been done for a rather long time and the company has moved onto a sequel to Endless Space. Also, don't buy Endless Space 2 yet, it's far too early to buy even though it shows signs of quality. I'd say Stellaris is far more capable of putting up competition to Civ 6 due to the pure complexity of the game.

They're both hex-based 4x games that use semi-automatic combat, research, resources, expansion, and they're both turn-based. They have different executions, but the games are eminently comparable.

More to the point, Endless Legend received a massive expansion release less than a week ago. It is hardly "done".

And, finally, Stellaris has barely anything in common with either EL or Civ6, other than the fact that it's a 4x. It's real time, in space, with a 100% different resource and research system. It is a fine game, but...

At least try to fact check such sweeping statements.

[@nt1chr1$t]

Distant World: Universe is a very niche game. It has been out for the better part of a decade and Stellaris in a few months has well beyond more active players and sales. Pandora, outside of a well-patched A.I. stumbled, and still stumbles today.

Endless Legend is a phenomenal game that is a fantasy twist on Civ, with some streamlined processes. The latest expansion, Tempest, really fleshes out the game. On that note, the Endless series goes on sale several times a year. I would wait for it to go on sale so you can scoop up all the DLC at the same time. While the base game is more than fine, its DLC adds a load of content, from a revamping of the Winter mechanic, which of instead of being a thorn can add great variety of gameplay elements, an in-depth naval system, and an espionage system. The world-building in EL is amazing with its quest system and overarching grand quests.

I was wary of pre-purchasing Civ 6 but im a sucker for 4x games. Civ 4 was my first entry into Civ series, and it was much better than Civ 5 until BNW. Haven't touched 4 since BNW. Hoping the same mistakes aren't rehashed as with Civ 5 vanilla (lesser extent G&K) and Beyond Earth. From the streams today, it is much more well rounded than Civ 5 vanilla was. The districting is a nice lift from how Endless Legend uses regions and cities with Firaxis' own twist.

[Gaslov]

If you can only buy one, Endless Legend is leagues ahead of Civilization and I strongly recommend it.

[Golden Demon]

I fully expect to be made fun of for saying this, but Endless Legend is the definition of "too much of a good thing." It's too damn complicated. There is an enormous amount of information that you are presented with and no easy way to keep track of it all. It's very difficult for me to feel like I'm making intelligent decisions when I play it. Civ is a much more streamlined and accessible experience, imo.

[Off-Suit Nines]

Originally posted by Golden Demon:

I fully expect to be made fun of for saying this, but Endless Legend is the definition of "too much of a good thing." It's too damn complicated. There is an enormous amount of information that you are presented with and no easy way to keep track of it all. It's very difficult for me to feel like I'm making intelligent decisions when I play it. Civ is a much more streamlined and accessible experience, imo.

I found the resource management to be imballanced, with some tiles being worth potentially only 1-2 FIDS, while others were worth easily 20-30. If that's what you mean by complexity, then I heartily agree. They massively overtuned the FIDS system and probably should have used a model with smaller numerical variation to prevent really, really OP starting positions and things like that.

Other than that though, I wouldn't say it was particularly more complex than Sins of a Solar Empire or any of the Total War games.

[KillSlim]

Originally posted by IRHFAPA:

These are two different 4X games. I enjoy Endless Legends a lot, but they're completely different. If you believe that Endless Legend is competition to Civ, then I'm sorry but you're wrong. Civ will continue to improve and push out content. Endless Legend has been done for a rather long time and the company has moved onto a sequel to Endless Space. Also, don't buy Endless Space 2 yet, it's far too early to buy even though it shows signs of quality. I'd say Stellaris is far more capable of putting up competition to Civ 6 due to the pure complexity of the game.

Stellaris has no depth whatsoever. Endless Legend has more depth than Civ 6 currently, only because it's been released for a long time now, and has been extensively supported.

[bacon.]

Stellaris has no depth whatsoever. Endless Legend has more depth than Civ 6 currently, only because it's been released for a long time now, and has been extensively supported.

^^^This is all you need to know.

I have both and Endless Legend might be my favorite 4x. They are different games and Civilization definitely has the edge when it comes to mods.

[Pawmee]

buy endless legend

[para nine]

endless legend is french. its lacking in freedom.

[Skulbow]

Endless Legends is a fantasic and much deeper game than Civ games but nothing compares to playing Civ..they have that something special feeling.... but you can't go wrong with either title. Endless Legend games while slower also have that one more turn feel.