Babylon is completely broken

[Astraeos]

Most perfect start I've ever had, completely ruined by Babylon. The rest of us just hit the Classical Age, meanwhile, Babylon is three era's ahead in the Renaissance in terms of Technology.

They have completed 30 researches, while the rest of us have completed 10-12.

This faction is utterly, and completely, and totally broken. Permanently blacklisted from all of my games forever. What an utterly brain dead design of a faction.

What did they think would happen when a player goes up against an AI Babylon? Firaxis has become such a terrible developer. The New Frontier Pass was the worst DLC ever that totally ruined this game.

Will not be buying Civ VII, if there ever is one.

[SLG]

Have you exactly read the information for Babylon? Eurekas instantly unlock their respective technologies. -50% Science per turn.

P.S. New Frontier Pass was not a DLC. If you wanted the last 6 DLC's, you had to get the Pass, but now you can get them in the anthology. Also the pass gave you 2 duplicate rulers with different abilities: Teddy Roosevelt and Catherine De Medici.

[Stagnetti]

the issue is deity and difficulty scaling, not babylon

[BlackSmokeDMax]

I use this mod both when I play as Babylon and randomly against them (meaning I always run the mod):

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2296424359

It prevents them from fulling researching with their boost, instead this makes them need a very small amount of science to actually unlock the tech. Prevents unlocking anything prior to having the pre-requisites. IMO, this (or something else VERY similar) is how they should have done the Babylon ability to begin with. It isn't a super nerf, but it does make things a bit more plausible.

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Originally posted by Astraeos:

Most perfect start I've ever had, completely ruined by Babylon. The rest of us just hit the Classical Age, meanwhile, Babylon is three era's ahead in the Renaissance in terms of Technology.

They have completed 30 researches, while the rest of us have completed 10-12.

This faction is utterly, and completely, and totally broken. Permanently blacklisted from all of my games forever. What an utterly brain dead design of a faction.

What did they think would happen when a player goes up against an AI Babylon? Firaxis has become such a terrible developer. The New Frontier Pass was the worst DLC ever that totally ruined this game.

Will not be buying Civ VII, if there ever is one.

Babylon being three eras ahead of you means absolutely nothing (especially if you play with seceret societies and heroes and legends mods). Peeps gotta change their mindset of how they are going after victory. There are many different ways of melting the AI's lead - pillaging as my personal fav, snatching as many towns as you can from the Ai (which the AI because of its unfair lead built them with so good science output that when you see it its like an xmas in april:D), reserving the crucial rss thus preventing the AI to upgrade units which you'll use to kick its ass in a min, etc. In my last games usually the AI is constantly 2-3 eras ahead of me and i still win science victory. And btw, the AI was already heading for the third launching when i was about to start the projects lol Also all this on Deity.

Couple examples:

1) I pillaged the ♥♥♥♥ out of everyone tiles (Hammurabi along with Pericles present in the game, btw):D https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME91M4P

2) I was chilling (kinda) till i unlocked "Advanced Flight". Then due my insane productions (vampire castles) I built fast several bombers/heroes and took over the Trajan's amazing empire in several turns and my science exploded as you can see on the screen. In the meantime i was pillaging everything i could with my heroes again making tons of money, faith and gold and thus buying most of the decent great people (especially those with science victory boosts) and everything else i could think of, too lol. https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME94DPR

The point is that I was the underdog for the most part of the game and still ended up victorious playing with opportunistic mindset. Btw, if I can do it you can as well cos I dont look at myself as an elite player for sure.

Ahh and one more thing, forget about regreting/expecting perfect start for good game. The point of any game is to try and win with what you got, not with what you could/should have.

[Lemurian1972]

Unless we're talking about a human player, being that many techs ahead means nothing because the AI is completely useless in terms of building infrastructure to take advantage of it.

[Solitus]

Exactly. Babylon researches through Production; and they can get so advanced that they can no longer produce units to defend themselves properly.

Also, Babylon is weak to a science victory; as they have to hard research the last techs in the game, you can race them to that.

Also, don't let Babylon get the Great Library.

You say that whoever designed Babylon was braindead. But all of the New Frontier Pass civilizations and leaders are like this; designed to deliver asynchronous gameplay that makes the game interesting to play. They were never supposed to be balanced (Byzantium able to conquer the entire world with a religion and a bunch of heavy cavalry (that they create for free) also comes to mind)

[Joshybones]

it isn't even a creative civ, just china's bonus on steroids

[Purple Monkey]

Sounds like the problem is you don't know what you're doing or saying.
Babylon falters in the late game once techs no longer have easy boosts and need to boosted by a spy or Great Scientist.
They also are way less powerful if you keep them from getting the Great Library.