Rise & Fall

[BigJohn]

I've grown tired of gathering storm there is minimal land that isn't subject to a possible natural disaster. The reason I bought GS was in the base game the AI was constantly putting cities right next to mine. How do people like Rise & Fall? $9 right now.

[Oaks]

If you have Gathering Storm, you already have the Rise and Fall mechanics.

[zxcvbob]

Originally posted by Oaks:

If you have Gathering Storm, you already have the Rise and Fall mechanics.

But can you disable the parts you don't like? (I don't know but I don't think so) I like R&F. I also have GS (bought it on sale) but haven't tried it yet because some aspects of it sound annoying, and I'm still learning RF.

[BigJohn]

The problem I have in GS is almost every tile has some sort of major natural disaster. Its hard to locate a place for a city by a river because 3/4 tiles flood, volcanos & rainforests all over the place, every non elevated sea tile floods on and on.. Energy is also very difficult. I understand the intent but its overdone from a game perspective.

[Oaks]

Originally posted by BigJohn:

The problem I have in GS is almost every tile has some sort of major natural disaster. Its hard to locate a place for a city by a river because 3/4 tiles flood, volcanos & rainforests all over the place, every non elevated sea tile floods on and on.. Energy is also very difficult. I understand the intent but its overdone from a game perspective.

Have you tried turning down the disaster intensity? At lower levels it's not so much of a bother I find.

[BigJohn]

Thanks. Yes I have it at zero. There are just too many situations where you are forced to put a city in a vulnerable position. Disasters dont change river flooding, volcanos and sea rising etc correct?

[Broken One]

That is true, volcanoes still erupt and rivers still flood. There are fixes for river flooding, but I can't think of any for volcanoes other than distance.

[BigJohn]

I don't have a problem with some but its almost the entire map.

[BigJohn]

So back to my original questions does R&F have the same map terrain.

[Stormwinds]

You can play with the Rise and Fall ruleset, but you lose access to everything introduced in Gathering Storm.

[Know Won]

Been nearly wiped out at start because of tornadoes, volcanoes and floods. Fun times.

[LextheMighty]

If you play with the Rise and Fall ruleset you'll still get loyalty, gold/dark ages, and governors, but without natural disasters, world congress, and some other features from Gathering Storm. So if natural disasters are your problem it maybe a good idea. You could also probably find a mod to disable natural disasters.

[grognardgary]

Originally posted by Oaks:

Originally posted by BigJohn:

The problem I have in GS is almost every tile has some sort of major natural disaster. Its hard to locate a place for a city by a river because 3/4 tiles flood, volcanos & rainforests all over the place, every non elevated sea tile floods on and on.. Energy is also very difficult. I understand the intent but its overdone from a game perspective.

Have you tried turning down the disaster intensity? At lower levels it's not so much of a bother I find.

Yep placed on Zero its more likely to help than hurt especially early game.

[BigJohn]

Originally posted by LextheMighty:

If you play with the Rise and Fall ruleset you'll still get loyalty, gold/dark ages, and governors, but without natural disasters, world congress, and some other features from Gathering Storm. So if natural disasters are your problem it maybe a good idea. You could also probably find a mod to disable natural disasters.

Many Thanks. I bought R&F ($10) and prefer it mainly because the terrain is much easier to manage. I wouldn't mind an occasional natural disaster but just found finding a good location for a city with river& sea flooding, volcanos, deserts & rain forests annoying.

I'm also hoping the energy component is more realistic as the game progresses.

[terrylovesrarity]

For what it's worth, all the disasters related to water have tech that can mitigate them, dams for flooding, flood barriers for global warming, etc.