No possibility to establish trade routes to some countries.

[leszek.j966]

No possibility to establish trade routes to some countries. I play Portugal on a small map with 6 civilizations: Japan, Brazil, India, Norway, Nubia and 9 city-states. I can only establish trade routes to Nubia, India and Norway, although Japan and Brazil are my border neighbors.
Is this some game bug or a mod bug ?.

[-1 Stability Hit]

Portugal can only trade with cities it has sea access to

[leszek.j966]

Originally posted by -1 Stability Hit:

Portugal can only trade with cities it has sea access to

Hmm, if it's the game settings, I understand a bit, but logically it's stupid. What do you mean access to the sea ?. The fact that it lies by the water, whether it has connections through a canal or whether there is also appropriate technology owned by a third country.

https://ibb.co/tKZWdhD

[Oaks]

Read the unique ability of Portugal. They can only make sea trade routes with other civs and citystates, no land routes.
The amount of gold you make from the sea routes is huge though.

"International Trade Route Trade Routes can only be sent to cities on the coast or with a Harbor, but gain a +50% increase to all yields. Traders have +50% range over water, and can embark as soon as they are unlocked."

[pitonsnaboca]

Just adding to the Oaks reply there's a bit of info that is not in the ability description.

The cities starting and ending the trade route must be coastal or have a harbour on the 2nd city ring. If the harbout is in the3rd city ring it will not be possible to make the trade route.

[leszek.j966]

thanks for the reminder / information

[Oaks]

Originally posted by pitonsnaboca:

Just adding to the Oaks reply there's a bit of info that is not in the ability description.

The cities starting and ending the trade route must be coastal or have a harbour on the 2nd city ring. If the harbout is in the3rd city ring it will not be possible to make the trade route.

Ah, thanks for the info, didn't realize that.

[leszek.j966]

the3rd city ring, is the same as 3 squares from the city center yeah?

[BlackSmokeDMax]

Originally posted by Oaks:

Originally posted by pitonsnaboca:

Just adding to the Oaks reply there's a bit of info that is not in the ability description.

The cities starting and ending the trade route must be coastal or have a harbour on the 2nd city ring. If the harbout is in the3rd city ring it will not be possible to make the trade route.

Ah, thanks for the info, didn't realize that.

Did that not get fixed in the most recent patch?

[pitonsnaboca]

Originally posted by BlackSmokeDMax:

Did that not get fixed in the most recent patch?

Not sure about that. I am playing Portugal these days but haven't really noticed if that's changed. Gonna pay more attention to see if that's the case.

[pitonsnaboca]

Just went ingame to check it.
Seems the same as before, to me.

3rd ring harbour on origin city, no international trade routes available.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2468589113

2nd ring harbour on origin city, international trade routes available.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2468589200

No harbour at destination but passing through 2 canals!! :)
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2468596804

3rd ring harbour (Kristiansand) at destination - no trade route available
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2468596966

Funny one. 2nd ring harbour but has a mountain between it and the city center, so doesn't allow trade route because it forces to go through 2 land tiles before reaching city center.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2468596895

[Stormwinds]

You can still make land trade routes as Portugal, but they are bound by the restrictions mentioned above. You are not locked into only sea trade routes.

[TwitchyRaccoon]

Played with this civ twice and both times it took a long time to get trade routes working. Probably the worst civ to play with imo.

[Oaks]

Originally posted by TwitchyRaccoon:

Played with this civ twice and both times it took a long time to get trade routes working. Probably the worst civ to play with imo.

The mountains of money you make with your trade routes more than make up for it in my opinion. An excellent civ.

[Maya-Neko]

Originally posted by TwitchyRaccoon:

Played with this civ twice and both times it took a long time to get trade routes working. Probably the worst civ to play with imo.

What took you so long? just research ships and trade routes as fast as possible and you're already good to go. From there on just concentrate on cramping as many cities onto the coast and onto islands as possible (yes, even on small 1 tile-islands. They can easily output 200+ gpr). Also get the Minerva-Society if you're playing with secret societies, so that you can get 2 trade routes per coastal city

And from there on it's just all about improving your trade route capacity. It's easily possible to get 3000+ gpr when entering the late mid game (not to mention the production and science you're producing on top of that with like 40+ trade routes), where you can literally just buy whole armies within a blink of an eye. I once doubled the military strength of the strongest civ in an game within ~10 rounds, just because i felt like i needed some action.

[pitonsnaboca]

And if you have suzerainty on Mogadishiu you don't even have to worry about defending your trade routes.