My Kingdom For NIter

[Star Paladin]

Or is it "Netir"? On my first game, I had no Niter for gunpowerder units, with 5 cities on a Med map. Never found Oil or Aluminum either. After searching most of the map, I found 1 city/civ with 1 Niter, and have yet to find anyone with Oil/Alum. Nor could I find any other Civ to trade any of that with.

Anybody else having a strategic resouce famon (another beta stage problem for this game).

[MrFluffyWolf]

Yeah, playing a domination civ is pretty hard when you can basically lose the game because you were unlucky with certain unit required resources.
If everyone around you gets niter but you don't, and you're playing dom, you just lost.

[Kitten Food]

It isn't a beta stage problem. Your salt is boring.

Is it working? Thats debatable. I don't mind the shortage in resources as it makes you strategize differently versus *everyone* having *everything*. I do think there should be just a bit more though or at least areas that have it in abundance that would create regions of tension or trade.

[Star Paladin]

It's a beta stage build. Period. There was no oil, no alum, 1 Niter. That a huge bug. Then just read the dozens of other forums posts to see the pages of bugs and missing features.

Your salt for people pointing out this game many problems is Eloi.

[Raine]

I've beaten it dom in this game. (me and my friend share a computer and have been playing his account!)

[White Shadow]

One of the advantages to using spearmen. The "anti-calvalry" upgrade path never needs a single strategic resource. I can go all the way from my hoplites (or spearmen for you lesser nations) and upgrade them straight away through modern AT's.

Yeah, they take a hit against regular infantry types, but they are also fairly cheap to produce. They're my go to "grunt" units when I need cheap, massive swarms. I do agree though. It's very annoying not finding strategic resources. Me, I love a good airforce in the late game, but aluminum is tough to find sometimes, too.

Still, you can never go wrong with spearmen-types. You can sleep at night knowing you'll never have to worry about strategic resources again.

[Jeffreyac]

I thought he meant literal salt. Was going to comment salt isn't a strategic resource, but a luxury one.

...that's all I really have to offer here. carry on!

[4treyu]

Originally posted by KiteMasaki:

It isn't a beta stage problem. Your salt is boring.

Is it working? Thats debatable. I don't mind the shortage in resources as it makes you strategize differently versus *everyone* having *everything*. I do think there should be just a bit more though or at least areas that have it in abundance that would create regions of tension or trade.

Exactly my thoughts. At first I thought "well, the more scarce strategic resources really improve the game", but then I realized it's slightly overdone. Hopefully they don't tweak it back to Civ 5 levels, it just needs a subtle touch.

[MrFluffyWolf]

Originally posted by Pericles of Athens:

One of the advantages to using spearmen. The "anti-calvalry" upgrade path never needs a single strategic resource. I can go all the way from my hoplites (or spearmen for you lesser nations) and upgrade them straight away through modern AT's.

Yeah, they take a hit against regular infantry types, but they are also fairly cheap to produce. They're my go to "grunt" units when I need cheap, massive swarms. I do agree though. It's very annoying not finding strategic resources. Me, I love a good airforce in the late game, but aluminum is tough to find sometimes, too.

Still, you can never go wrong with spearmen-types. You can sleep at night knowing you'll never have to worry about strategic resources again.

Didn't realize Pikemen could take on Musketmen

[White Shadow]

Originally posted by MrFluffyWolf:

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Didn't realize Pikemen could take on Musketmen

Except for the fact that Pikemen come out a full era earlier...

[MrFluffyWolf]

Originally posted by Pericles of Athens:

Originally posted by MrFluffyWolf:

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Didn't realize Pikemen could take on Musketmen

Except for the fact that Pikemen come out a full era earlier...

Kinda my point.
Maybe I missed a tech, but I don't think Pikeman upgrade into anything competitive in that era, do they?
You basically NEED niter to be competitive militarily in the renaissance. Unless you go navel. Niter is still useful there too.

[Helen Carnate]

On my most recent game, I ended up with 4 aluminum right outside my border. I quickly dumpped a city on it and now everyone keeps begging me to trade. On the flip side I had 0 iron, 0 horses and 0 niter.

[White Shadow]

Originally posted by MrFluffyWolf:

Originally posted by Pericles of Athens:

Except for the fact that Pikemen come out a full era earlier...

Kinda my point.
Maybe I missed a tech, but I don't think Pikeman upgrade into anything competitive in that era, do they?
You basically NEED niter to be competitive militarily in the renaissance. Unless you go navel. Niter is still useful there too.

Well, technically yes this is true. During the renaissance, you are kinda screwed without nitre. But you can churn out some crossbowmen, and then upgrade them to field cannons in early industrial. By the time the renaissence rolls around, hopefully you'll have a large army of pikemen and crossbowmen. It isn't ideal, but it is about the best you can do with no strategics.

That's about the only era you'll have real trouble. However, as an aside, I do think it is fairly historically accurate for the period. Gunpowder *should* shake up wars. During that time period in history, it was a race to see who could upgrade to guns first. I quite like the idea that some civs have guns and others don't. At least in the early stages of gunpowder.

[Spire]

Did you check the city-states as well? Suzerians will get their strategic resources. It can be helpful in a resource famine, but of course theres a chance you won't find it in your local city-states either.

[MrFluffyWolf]

Originally posted by Pericles of Athens:

Originally posted by MrFluffyWolf:

Kinda my point.
Maybe I missed a tech, but I don't think Pikeman upgrade into anything competitive in that era, do they?
You basically NEED niter to be competitive militarily in the renaissance. Unless you go navel. Niter is still useful there too.

Well, technically yes this is true. During the renaissance, you are kinda screwed without nitre. But you can churn out some crossbowmen, and then upgrade them to field cannons in early industrial. By the time the renaissence rolls around, hopefully you'll have a large army of pikemen and crossbowmen. It isn't ideal, but it is about the best you can do with no strategics.

That's about the only era you'll have real trouble. However, as an aside, I do think it is fairly historically accurate for the period. Gunpowder *should* shake up wars. During that time period in history, it was a race to see who could upgrade to guns first. I quite like the idea that some civs have guns and others don't. At least in the early stages of gunpowder.

It's definitely historically accurate, not gonna argue that.
However, while it IS accurate that the discrepancy between the civs that do and do not have it should be pretty massive, it does make the Renaissance a make or break era for any domination civs. If you're IN a war at the time the Renaissance swings around and your enemy happens to get niter, GG. They can easily turn it around and win while you have very little you can do about it.
Yeah, it's accurate. But in a game, it's kinda frustrating that a single resource can completely ruin/make a game in a matter of turns, and whether or not you get it is 100% RNG.
Doesn't help that barbarians don't need niter to churn out armies of gunpowder units using magic

[4treyu]

Originally posted by Spire:

Did you check the city-states as well? Suzerians will get their strategic resources. It can be helpful in a resource famine, but of course theres a chance you won't find it in your local city-states either.

Problem with that is that many times the city states that have niter or whatever advanced strategic resource you require are still like 2 eras behind so they can't even see that resource yet. They really need to nerf the eurekas, getting to the modern era in 1550 and having a 15-tech advantage on your closest competitor and all city-states doesn't make for a fun game currently.

I remember back in Civ 5 it was very rare that a city-state would trail behind so badly in science .