Hammurabi Looks Fantastic

[Dray Prescot]

Hammurabi is just the way I like to play Civ 6 and other 4x games. I am going to LOVE having him and his Civ. THANK YOU.

[Lemurian1972]

Going to be real interesting for sure. A rocket start, but it's going to be slow going in the endgame. Unless they add a bunch of late game Great Scientists to boost more techs, you're going to be stuck slogging through the last half of the tree hoping an AI passes you on a couple techs so you can steal them.

[Charlemagne]

Hammurabi, this is the first toon that looks angry.

[Oaks]

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

Hammurabi is just the way I like to play Civ 6 and other 4x games. I am going to LOVE having him and his Civ. THANK YOU.

It's funny, I just watched the intro video and though how cool Babylon looks and came here to post about it. You beat me to it though.

Getting a full tech from the eureka seems pretty crazy. Doesn't this seem particularly op in slower speeds such as marathon, where it takes tons of turns to research something?
I guess the penalty to normal research will make up for it. Did they say how big the penalty is?

Super excited about this new civ.

[Clintdeadslayer]

Do we know who the alternate leader is? And for what Civ?

[General Eclectic]

Originally posted by Oaks:

Originally posted by Dray Prescot:

Hammurabi is just the way I like to play Civ 6 and other 4x games. I am going to LOVE having him and his Civ. THANK YOU.

It's funny, I just watched the intro video and though how cool Babylon looks and came here to post about it. You beat me to it though.

Getting a full tech from the eureka seems pretty crazy. Doesn't this seem particularly op in slower speeds such as marathon, where it takes tons of turns to research something?
I guess the penalty to normal research will make up for it. Did they say how big the penalty is?

Super excited about this new civ.

-50% to your science output.

[General Eclectic]

Originally posted by Clintdeadslayer:

Do we know who the alternate leader is? And for what Civ?

The Alternative leader will be Kublai Khan for China and Mongolia.

[ashvandam_uk]

Agreed, I also love the look of Babylon both the feel of character, and the game play.


It seems a bit silly having Babylon, but not having Egypt in the game, who was an important superpower of the Era.

I was hoping that we at LEAST get Egypt, at this point, EITHER as a Civilaztion or at the very least as a second alterntive leader, maybe of Cleopatra, who leads the Ptolemaic Greek Civilization in the game.

(If it is not possible to have as a 2nd Alterntive leader, as I know Egypt is completly different,
then maybe have an Egypt actual Civilzation by its own right as I understand that Ptolemaic Greek Civilzation is completly different and happened over 1,500 years later).

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by ashvandam_uk:

(If it is not possible to have as a 2nd Alterntive leader, as I know Egypt is completly different,
then maybe have an Egypt actual Civilzation by its own right as I understand that Ptolemaic Greek Civilzation is completly different and happened over 1,500 years later).

The "Ptolemaic Greek Civilization" is called Egypt, both in the game and in history.

There's more that could be said on this topic, but I feel that it is too far off the topic of this thread to do here. If you want to argue about whether Cleopatra should be considered to have led Egypt then it would probably be better to start a new thread instead of derailing this one.

[ashvandam_uk]

Originally posted by Oaks:

Getting a full tech from the eureka seems pretty crazy. Doesn't this seem particularly op in slower speeds such as marathon, where it takes tons of turns to research something?
I guess the penalty to normal research will make up for it. Did they say how big the penalty is?

Super excited about this new civ.

I do like Babylon, it looks fun to play, because you will be playing it such a different way.

It is also Historically accurate too, because it will be super-science strong in the early eras, but more challenging to survive in the later eras, (unless your super ruthless playing in the early Era's).

[robert.steven.marshall]

Looks absolutely ridiculously OP. I tend to purposefully choose eureka fired tech and try to set them off. I don't get why ppl think there will be slowdown late on, you can basically ignore science and still fly miles ahead without even trying and steal full techs. It's a joke.

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by robert.steven.marshall:

Looks absolutely ridiculously OP. I tend to purposefully choose eureka fired tech and try to set them off. I don't get why ppl think there will be slowdown late on, you can basically ignore science and still fly miles ahead without even trying and steal full techs. It's a joke.

There will be a slowdown because once you're not getting Eurekas, the blanket penalty to Science will hit much harder. The Eureka ability is meant to push you along without building a massive science infrastructure, but if you don't build one you're going to be sitting around for the last half of the game waiting forever for techs.

I'm starting to think you're not meant to go for a Science win with them, and instead use the tech boost to do other things. We'll see.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by Lemurian1972:

I'm starting to think you're not meant to go for a Science win with them, and instead use the tech boost to do other things. We'll see.

I think you are probably correct. I'm thinking early military conquest fueled by an essentially free science lead and then pivot into cultural victory.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by robert.steven.marshall:

Looks absolutely ridiculously OP.

I just rewatched the first look video and noticed something that I didn't notice the first time. Babylon gets a tech as soon as they trigger the eureka, even if they don't have the prerequisite tech(s). I expect that it's just going to be totally broken, possibly to the point of requiring a nerf. There are some eurekas that can be triggered long before the tech would normally be researched.

[Dray Prescot]

But you can be very careful about getting Eurekas in how you play the game in order to as many of them as possible.

[Exemplar]

babylon looks too strong to me, especially for mp. shame they had to go so overboard with it.

where did it ever begin that "babylon" is "science based", anyway. i don't get it. they weren't first to much of anything, really. they inherited a lot from the sumerian and akkadian dynasties, like rome inherited a lot from the etruscans. if anything, i'd put the succeeding assyrians more in line with science.

to wit, amoritic babylon was sacked by the arguably technologically dominant hittites (better chariots) in 1595bc, many amorites scattered west and babylon proper would be controlled by the galzu (kassites, foreign ruling dynasty who spoke a language isolate) for five centuries. where, in there, is room for "scientifically advanced society". is this some neo-sitchin thing?