Can't get great prophet

[Luky]

After religion overhaul I cant manage to get great prophet, everybody are faster. Any tips how to manage to get him faster?

[Lemurian1972]

Buid a Scout, use both Scout and Warrior to go looking for Goodie huts and a Natural Wonder.
Research either Mining or Animal Husbandry depending on what's around you when you begin. The only time to go Astrology first is if you want Stonehenge (bad idea) or you find a natural wonder on turn 1 or 2). When the Scout completes, start a Builder. When Code of Laws completes pick the Economic card that gives +1 Faith per turn. That way you will be guaranteed a Pantheon at some point even if you get no Faith huts or other bonuses to Faith.

From there, go for Astrology second even if you haven't found a Wonder. If you got the Eureka and can complete Astrology quickly do so and start your Holy Site as soon as the Builder is done. With your Builder, either use him to chop a forest or harvest stone for a production boost on the Holy site (optional, but helpful if your site is due to take more than 10 turns) or upgrade 3 tiles.

Last important step is to start a Holy Prayers project as soon as the Site is done. 2 or 3 of those will get you your Prophet, but if you've gotten enough gold to buy a Shrine, you can go with 2 Prayers projects and let natural GPP do the rest if you're far enough ahead of everyone else to get him that way.

Basically, keep an eye on the Great Person screen every couple of turns and make sure you're in the running for the 60pt Prophet. Don't panic if someone gets Stonehenge. Just plug away at getting that 60 pointer because after that it goes up to 120 and 240 and you don't want that.

PS- the Religion overhaul didn't change the race to a Prohphet much (though the GPP needed might have changed I don't recall

[Luky]

Thanks, I will try, before update I had never a problem to get prophet, now I have

[Luky]

Well I tried and failed again, I am done with this. With AI cheating they should not overhaul religion like that, game turned into restarting and trying again and again and it all based on luck, its not fun for me, I thought this is a strategic game...

[kyroshill]

For me every game is different. Sometimes the civs are more religion-heavy ones and they found faiths fast. Other times only a few civs even bother.

I had a game as Saladin where I got tired of waiting for the AI to get all the prophets. LOL

[Luky]

I suppose it depends on difficulty, but I dont want to play on low difficulty because stupid great prophet race

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by 161Sherlock:

Well I tried and failed again, I am done with this. With AI cheating they should not overhaul religion like that, game turned into restarting and trying again and again and it all based on luck, its not fun for me, I thought this is a strategic game...

You'd have to demonstrate how you think the AI is cheating, because it doesn't.

[zxcvbob]

As Russia, it pays to go straight for Astrology because Lavra (Larva?) are such good districts. I might research Mining or Animal Husbandry first if I need them to improve some good tiles; that also gives my warrior and scout a chance to maybe find a natural wonder.

[Luky]

Originally posted by Lemurian1972:

Originally posted by 161Sherlock:

Well I tried and failed again, I am done with this. With AI cheating they should not overhaul religion like that, game turned into restarting and trying again and again and it all based on luck, its not fun for me, I thought this is a strategic game...

You'd have to demonstrate how you think the AI is cheating, because it doesn't.

They have some bonus production and research from start, unfortunately its affecting this great prophet race, its unacceptable. When I am doing everything to get great prophet, I should get one. Restarting and trying again, hoping to have better luck is not fun, its more like RNG game.

[donald23]

Well, yeah, on everything higher then Prince the AI gets bonuses. With increasing difficulty level, the bonuses increase too.

One thing they don't get a bonus towards to, is great person points.
The religion overhaul also didn't change that or how you get a great prophet. It even lowered the chance of several Civ's to persue religion at all.

There is nothing after the religion overhaul that makes it harder for you to get a Great Prophet.

[Luky]

I play the game from its release and its really difficult for me to get prophet after update, before update it was ok

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by 161Sherlock:

I play the game from its release and its really difficult for me to get prophet after update, before update it was ok

I have changed nothing about how I got Great Prophets, and it still works. If you're playing on higher difficulties, the AI isn't cheating, those are the rules for that difficulty setting which you're made aware of going in.

[Robo]

Going for Great prophet is a death trap anyway - use the time and resources for science, no? :)

[Robo]

Ok ... I have checked about this and it actually might be a valid concern.

I tried on measly Emperor (wanted to go for easy cultural France game) - went Holy site + Shrine immediately and added Revelation asap - still did not get prophet which surprised me. If I would go Stonehenge I would get it though as it was completed I think on turn 70ish only (epic speed) which is doable faster by player.

[UknowitsE]

get the mod that adds more great prophets to the game, problem solved, something they should have done from the beginning, this game's great people system suck my left ass nut, some are really great and some are just trash, what that? "Skip them" you say, well how about, dont put crappy great people in the game, another great solution provided at no cost from your customers firaxis.

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by Robo:

Ok ... I have checked about this and it actually might be a valid concern.

I tried on measly Emperor (wanted to go for easy cultural France game) - went Holy site + Shrine immediately and added Revelation asap - still did not get prophet which surprised me. If I would go Stonehenge I would get it though as it was completed I think on turn 70ish only (epic speed) which is doable faster by player.

It's not really that valid. The key is not to use the policy card, but instead to use the Holy Prayers project 2-3 times as soon as your district is complete (don't even build a Shrine most times).