Big Mistake Buying Frontier Pass

[Sarisin]

So, I wish I had not sprung for the $35 or so for the Frontier Pass. Yes, it did add a few new civs and some interesting features, but along with those FOR ME I have had nothing but constant game crashes. There does not seem to be a pattern. I have a high end PC. I never had any crashes at all up until the second update and now I simply cannot finish a game. I tried fooling with many variables and the results are still the same. I could go on, but most of it has been said before so I'll let it rest except to say I made a big mistake buying this Pass.

I love this game enough to want to keep playing it so I am considering getting a second copy of the Platinum Edition (maybe this was Firaxis' plan after all?). I wish there was a way to roll back and delete all of the updates from the Frontier Pass updates, but using Steam, I don't see how it can be done.

So what is the best way to do this? Most retail sellers will sell you a Steam code (Newegg had a great sale over the weekend), but that won't work. I guess my only option is to pay $39.95 and play using that wonderful Epic Games Launcher. I'd welcome any suggestions, but frankly I've read everything related to how to 'fix the crashes' and none have worked for me. My frustration level is high and I just want to try something else - even if it does cost me.

Maybe come back after the Frontier Pass is done and re-visit, but for now I can do without the vampires, cultists, etc. and go back to a game that doesn't crash constantly.

[Schism]

Game has been buggy as hell since this Frontier Pass started. This what you get when developers all work from home and try to shove product out the door.

[Maya-Neko]

When highlighting Civ6 in the library you can see your DLCs somewhere on the right side (might need to scroll a littlebit). There you can also manage your DLCs and uncheck the DLCs you don't want. The game then starts as if you don't have these non-marked DLCs.

But keep in mind, that many changes to the game are also applied to the already existing game (so that NF-Users can still play with Non-NF-Users), so even when you're starting the game with the DLCs disabled, you might still come accross some of those bugs. If you still get bugs while disabling the NF-Patch, you'll most likely get those in the Epic-version as well.

[ClownD]

I wish I had read this before I bought it. I just got the frontier pass and was excited to play as Ethiopia and check out the secret societies. Unfortunately my game keeps crashing. I guess I'm done with Civ 6 for a while.It's been 5 minutes and the AI is still taking it's turn as I type this. Sad day to see such a well made base game get broken by DLC.

[shadowpuppet]

I know how you feel. I have updated all my drivers and uninstalled and reinstalled the game af ew tiems now and it still randomly crashes. This is getting to be a bit much.

[TLHeart]

no crashes here. Drivers up to date, running windows 10 1904.

[Sarisin]

It is very frustrating because clearly some are not having the same problems - or at least are silent on them. I would like to help the developers identify the issues so the crashes stop, but even when I tried to catch when the problems occur there is no consistency. I can even go back to an Auto save and play through the previous crash until yet another crash will occur somewhere down the line.

Again, nothing has changed on my end. I am using the same computer with all the same settings and variables that I used up through the first update without a single crash. So if it isn't on my end, it must be something to do with the Frontier Pass updates.

I am now thinking of setting up a new Steam account just for Platinum Civ and buying the key as cheap as I can find it. I understand from a previous post that I still might have some issues, but I'd rather try the game without any of the Frontier Pass upgrades - a clean copy I guess.

[Madness]

Have you guys made sure to verify cache(maybe some files got corrupted during update)
Updated graficcard drivers and stuff?

[Sarisin]

Yeah, I have uninstalled and reinstalled the game twice. I've made sure all the game directories and any caches are empty. I have software that keeps my drivers up to date. I even tried going back and using old drivers and then back again - I play other games too and none of them have been crashing.

Honestly, it is the same. I create a new game with the same variables and the game runs fine for awhile. Some times the crashes come early in the game, sometimes later. With the frustration (especially when my computer locks up and I have to re-boot, restart Steam, etc.) I have just given up and have not been able to complete any game (I do use Epic speed, but tried a couple of games at Standard speed) since the second update from Frontier Pass.

I see cdkeys is offering Civ Platinum for $33 so I think I will get that and install it on a newly created Steam account. Then, after the next update, I'll come back and give it another go although I am not very optimistic.

I should mention that one of the features I enjoy of the updates is Apocryphal mode. I thought that might be the issue with the crashes, but I disabled that on games and the crashes still came.

[berrako]

Originally posted by Sarisin:

I am now thinking of setting up a new Steam account just for Platinum Civ and buying the key as cheap as I can find it. I understand from a previous post that I still might have some issues, but I'd rather try the game without any of the Frontier Pass upgrades - a clean copy I guess.

Don't do this, simply deactivate NF from your dlc list in your configuration for civ vi

If make this don't solve your issues, buying a new copy don't go to solve it because that mean that the crashes come from the civ update and not from the dlc

[Exemplar]

This won't be helpful for everyone, but I've been linking this in the event you're on PC with an NVIDIA card.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/crash-help-logs-included-will-pay-to-whoever-figures-my-issue-out.661126/

"I'm reading post over at CivFanatic Civ6 - Bug Reports, that gamers without mods also have this issues.
And I had over 3000 h over DX12 gaming with over 100 mods running, and never had this magnitude of crashes. Yes, sometime my logs was littered with errors and warnings due to mods, but CTD with this EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION, came to light after NFP was released. My game started to crash somewhere in Medieval era, and could max play 10 turns without crash (Normal view, DX12) Then change to medium settings, Strategic view, DX11 and could play about 30 to 40 turns before crashing.
Then came the Nvidia hotfix 451.85, I haven't had a crash in 800 turns (3 different games). Running DX11, Normal view, High settings (Have 5820K + 1080ti) " ~ gyrofalcon



hope it fixes the crash issue for some people.

[🅺🅴🆁🅸🆅🅴🅽]

Originally posted by Exemplar:

This won't be helpful for everyone, but I've been linking this in the event you're on PC with an NVIDIA card.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/crash-help-logs-included-will-pay-to-whoever-figures-my-issue-out.661126/

"I'm reading post over at CivFanatic Civ6 - Bug Reports, that gamers without mods also have this issues.
And I had over 3000 h over DX12 gaming with over 100 mods running, and never had this magnitude of crashes. Yes, sometime my logs was littered with errors and warnings due to mods, but CTD with this EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION, came to light after NFP was released. My game started to crash somewhere in Medieval era, and could max play 10 turns without crash (Normal view, DX12) Then change to medium settings, Strategic view, DX11 and could play about 30 to 40 turns before crashing.
Then came the Nvidia hotfix 451.85, I haven't had a crash in 800 turns (3 different games). Running DX11, Normal view, High settings (Have 5820K + 1080ti) " ~ gyrofalcon



hope it fixes the crash issue for some people.

Nothing on the Nvidia official site for hotfix 451.85. Also ppl are saying that their gpu drivers are up to date so... probably nvidia geforce experience is needed for the hotfix 451.85 to be installed before the next drivers version update comes

[Exemplar]

Originally posted by Ciro:

Nothing on the Nvidia official site for hotfix 451.85. Also ppl are saying that their gpu drivers are up to date so...

https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5046

Yeh, I understand some people say this. Some just say, "I'm crashing" and provide no details. Some say they're using no mods, yet submitted saved games say differently.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/game-always-crashing-at-turn-198-exception_violation-0x0.661382/

Some won't give their system specs and crash details if we begged them.

So this worked for -someone-. Reinstalling the game, removing all mods, worked for -someone-. Neither works for -all-. I understand that, and have been arguing for days there are multiple causes for crashes because "crash" is a symptom, not a diagnosis. If we can get all the peoples' issues solved that have readily apparent fixes, we can narrow it down to the people for whom "nothing seems to work". Do you disagree with this process, or just want to fight me more?

[🅺🅴🆁🅸🆅🅴🅽]

Originally posted by Exemplar:

Yeh, I understand some people say this. Some just say, "I'm crashing" and provide no details. Some say they're using no mods, yet submitted saved games say differently.

Some won't give their system specs and crash details if we begged them.

If you want we can ♥♥♥♥♥ them till they get pissed off and leave the community... what do you say? lmao I mean they are some inferior peeps who dont deserve to be here, right? I cant believe that someone got pissed off because he cant play some game and start crying in here... geeez wtf did those dudes think by asking for help or made those meaningless threads?...

[Sarisin]

Nobody wants to fight you. We/I love this game. Not that it means a darn thing, but I am 72 years old and have played all the Civilization games throughout. I liked some more than others. Some had great mods and some were just fine without any mods. Civilization since the beginning has been the best gaming franchise ever IMHO.

Up until Frontier Pass I think Civ VI and its DLC fit right in with all the others before it. I spent many enjoyable hours playing the game and interchanging the different variables. In past Civs I don't remember any upgrades or DLCs giving the number of problems like this one. The frustration factor is just too high to want to play the game now for me as it stands now.

I deeply appreciate your willingness to work with users and solve problems, but myself, I simply cannot identify anything close to the problem. Crashes come unexpectedly and often and really ruin the whole gaming experience.

I can understand how you would be upset with your designed process not really producing results - the crashes and complaints still come. I can just reiterate two things that affect my situation:

1. My gaming machine (yes, I use it just for gaming) has not changed at all since I purchased the Frontier Pass and downloaded the first update. My frequent crashes began only after the second update.

2. I have not changed any of my game settings or variables. I always play with a Random Leader on a Huge map at Epic Speed with the default number of civs and city states and tend to play the Pangea map. I have added (and subtracted) new features like Apocryphal Mode and Societies, but the crashes came before those. I had zero crashes using this settings before the second date and now I just cannot finish a game.

But that is my situation and guaranteed the next guy will have a different one. As I said, for me, I will somehow whether by disabling Frontier Pass or buying a new copy of Civ Platinum go back and keep playing without the FP features. I always read this forum and will keep doing so. I will boot up another game if it looks like the reason for the crashes has been identified and fixed. If not, I am happy to play without FP and I recently signed up for the MS Game Pass PC and my Steam game queue is very long.

Finally, thank you for your efforts and desire to help out the Civ community. Sometimes the efforts are fruitful and things get fixed - sometimes, well, they don't. There is always Civilization VII. At my age you hope you will still be around for the next Civ! ;-)

[🅺🅴🆁🅸🆅🅴🅽]

Originally posted by Sarisin:

Nobody wants to fight you. We/I love this game. Not that it means a darn thing, but I am 72 years old and have played all the Civilization games throughout. I liked some more than others. Some had great mods and some were just fine without any mods. Civilization since the beginning has been the best gaming franchise ever IMHO.

Up until Frontier Pass I think Civ VI and its DLC fit right in with all the others before it. I spent many enjoyable hours playing the game and interchanging the different variables. In past Civs I don't remember any upgrades or DLCs giving the number of problems like this one. The frustration factor is just too high to want to play the game now for me as it stands now.

I deeply appreciate your willingness to work with users and solve problems, but myself, I simply cannot identify anything close to the problem. Crashes come unexpectedly and often and really ruin the whole gaming experience.

I can understand how you would be upset with your designed process not really producing results - the crashes and complaints still come. I can just reiterate two things that affect my situation:

1. My gaming machine (yes, I use it just for gaming) has not changed at all since I purchased the Frontier Pass and downloaded the first update. My frequent crashes began only after the second update.

2. I have not changed any of my game settings or variables. I always play with a Random Leader on a Huge map at Epic Speed with the default number of civs and city states and tend to play the Pangea map. I have added (and subtracted) new features like Apocryphal Mode and Societies, but the crashes came before those. I had zero crashes using this settings before the second date and now I just cannot finish a game.

But that is my situation and guaranteed the next guy will have a different one. As I said, for me, I will somehow whether by disabling Frontier Pass or buying a new copy of Civ Platinum go back and keep playing without the FP features. I always read this forum and will keep doing so. I will boot up another game if it looks like the reason for the crashes has been identified and fixed. If not, I am happy to play without FP and I recently signed up for the MS Game Pass PC and my Steam game queue is very long.

Finally, thank you for your efforts and desire to help out the Civ community. Sometimes the efforts are fruitful and things get fixed - sometimes, well, they don't. There is always Civilization VII. At my age you hope you will still be around for the next Civ! ;-)

No, you better dont buy another copy of the game cos the updates include even the base game so you'll just waste your money.