Apostles and special abilities

[Athos]

I just started playing Civ VI and I was perplexed when the game tooltips tell me an apostle needs two "spreads" remaining to use their special ability (evangelize; declare inquisition), yet I couldn't use those abilities unless I had all three spreads remaining.

Was this changed and the tooltips not revised, or am I doing something wrong or misunderstanding something?

[BladeSe7en [ICON_RESOURCE_FURS]]

Apostles have two charges by default (a charge is how many times they can spread religion before disappearing like builders). So in order to evangelize an extra belief for your religion it needs both charges. And the same goes for launching an Inquisition

[Sugam]

they made changes to the Apostles in the last and only update since release and know that it seems there is only 2 people working on this so called AAA title at the moment, I would guess they forgot to update the tooltip or not have enough time.

[klorenz]

there are ways in the game to have extra charges

[CivNut123]

I'm kind of wondering. I have played as Spain, and an Inquisitor can wipe out every last vestige of another religion.

Is it different for other civs? I am trying with Saladin now, and I still have the other religion, even though I tried twice.

I actually think that I inherited Scythia's religion after defeating her.

[Athos]

This is my first run-through, playing Spain. For me, all apostles have 3 spreads. If normal is 2, I guess there's a bonus I'm getting. Nevertheless, if it says you need 2, then I have 2 after using 1. If that's not right then they need to say "can't use any spreads to use ability", b/c that's how it's working for me.

[donald23]

Originally posted by Athos:

This is my first run-through, playing Spain. For me, all apostles have 3 spreads. If normal is 2, I guess there's a bonus I'm getting. Nevertheless, if it says you need 2, then I have 2 after using 1. If that's not right then they need to say "can't use any spreads to use ability", b/c that's how it's working for me.

And as I understand it, that's how it's intended.
You cannot use any charges if you want to add a belief, start an inquisition etc.
The tooltip is unfortunate in that way that it doesn't account for variables in the number of charges.

I believe it should indeed read "cannot use any charge to use ability".

[bluetooth]

Originally posted by CivNut123:

I'm kind of wondering. I have played as Spain, and an Inquisitor can wipe out every last vestige of another religion.

Is it different for other civs? I am trying with Saladin now, and I still have the other religion, even though I tried twice.

I actually think that I inherited Scythia's religion after defeating her.

I have played as Egypt and it’s the same.

[Azunai]

i think the default number of spreads for all religious units was increased in the first update. they also increased the base cost of those units. the intention of that change was to reduce the number of religious units.

i'm not 100% sure but i think if you get a promotion with extra charges, you can use up those extra shots without losing the ability to evangelize. the tooltip is probably wrong, though. since the default is now 3 charges, you also need 3 charges left for evangelizing/starting the inquisition

[Athos]

Yeah, I had an apostle who gained double charges (six) and he was able to use 3 and still be able to use special abilities. Tooltip should probably just be changed to 3 from 2 in order to be accurate since you can use bonus charges as long as you have the default remaining.

[deadsanta]

Originally posted by donald23:

Originally posted by Athos:

This is my first run-through, playing Spain. For me, all apostles have 3 spreads. If normal is 2, I guess there's a bonus I'm getting. Nevertheless, if it says you need 2, then I have 2 after using 1. If that's not right then they need to say "can't use any spreads to use ability", b/c that's how it's working for me.

And as I understand it, that's how it's intended.
You cannot use any charges if you want to add a belief, start an inquisition etc.
The tooltip is unfortunate in that way that it doesn't account for variables in the number of charges.

I believe it should indeed read "cannot use any charge to use ability".

Wrong. You can use all your charges less one, and then level up the unit to +2 or +3 if you have the ability for it, and then evangelize or crusade.

[Athos]

Originally posted by deadsanta:

Wrong. You can use all your charges less one, and then level up the unit to +2 or +3 if you have the ability for it, and then evangelize or crusade.

Which apostles/civs/religions have the ability to "level up" their charges?

[bluetooth]

As far as I know there are two Promotions; Orator – can spread Religion two extra times. Pilgrim - Gain 3 extra spreads when moving adjacent to a natural wonder for the first time.

[Dray Prescot]

There are a total of 9 possible promotions for Apostles. You normally get offered 3 of them to choose from. However, there is a city state that if you control it by influence/envoys, you get all 9 choices offered to choose from when doing a promotion for an Apostle. I think that you have to control that city state when you EARN the promotion, NOT when you DO the promotion (I had France contesting me for control of that city state, which is how I learned this). (I think the city state is Yerevan).

(Orator, Proselytizer, Translator, Pilgrim, Indulgence Vendor, Heathen Conversion, Debater, Martyr, and Chaplain)

[jswilliams]

Ok cool glad I found this thread assuming still accurate. I may experiment with Orator to see if I can launch inquisition after using its 2 bonus spreads.

Worst case an apostle I intend to use for enhance or inquisition I'll just up its Theo combat, fight with it then use ability

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by jswilliams:

Ok cool glad I found this thread assuming still accurate. I may experiment with Orator to see if I can launch inquisition after using its 2 bonus spreads.

Worst case an apostle I intend to use for enhance or inquisition I'll just up its Theo combat, fight with it then use ability

You really don't need to dig out years old threads to make comments like this. Most of the time that just confuses the issue since people don't check dates before they reply.

In this case the information isn't outdated and still correct, it doesn't need a test.