Is this game really Spyware?

[[SnF] Flare Charger]

Are these claims valid or are people just being stupid?

[donald23]

Originally posted by skeet1983:

Originally posted by Bluntly Honest Reviews:

it was never spyware, people didn't understand what red shell was.. and most still don't

What is Red Shell? I was thinking about getting the Civ 6 Expansion and still have it on my Wishlist. I have been reading that game has a new EULA and has something called Red Shell? Has it since been removed? Any help appreciated :)

Red Shell is a marketing tool, that is no longer in Civ6 since July 2018.

The EULA isn't new (hasn't been changed since May 2018...) and is no different from any other major game company. It's just so damn broad so that it covers every single activity that Take2 (parent company of 2K Games, parent company of Firaxis Games) does. So it lists a huge amount of data it can collect if you provide it to them. For example because you go the 2K Games Webshop and buy a game there.

[donald23]

Originally posted by Davor:

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Like how stupid is that. To buy a game we have to give up our rights now.

This is so showing you not understanding what Red Shell is and what information it collected...

You never had to give up any rights.

[Davor]

Originally posted by donald23:

Originally posted by Davor:

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Like how stupid is that. To buy a game we have to give up our rights now.

This is so showing you not understanding what Red Shell is and what information it collected...

You never had to give up any rights.

I am talking about the ToS and EULA. I am more talking in general with most companies not just 2K/Firaxis. I forget what the ToS and EULA 2K/Firaxis has.

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by Bobby:

The thing is the timing is terrible with the new expansion. If these claims are false the company has to communicate and dispel them. Sales are probably hurt like this, possibly to a major degree.

Firaxis/2K usually take the silent approach to this kind of situation. I don't necessarily agree with it but I understand their reasoning. Anything they try to say will be misinterpreted, it'll be seen as them giving excuses to hide their devious plan to steal our data, steal our souls and sell to the devil or whatever people think Firaxis/2K is doing by this point. You can't reason with ignorance. The best they could do is change the EULA so it's more clear on its intent but even that can and probably will be misinterpreted. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Valve is the one who should do something. Their steam reviews system is easily weaponized against Devs. Sometimes that is justified, other times it isn't. When it isn't, it can really hurt the devs, who last time I checked are people too. Firaxis/2K can take the hit since Civ is a juggernaut that won't be taken down so easily. Smaller, indie developers don't have the same luck.

[eldiabs]

Man, these threads just never go away. Reminds me of those kids that walked around in trenchcoats after the matrix came out, asking people if they were l33T. At least those went away...I think?

[PolecatEZ]

Its called, creatively, "EULA trolling".

Its a thing, and people fall for it every time.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions#Frequent_question-askers