Do I need rise and fall?

[⎛Double Double⎞]

Does Gathering Storm have ALL the features from Rise and Fall? Like the Dark ages etc? if so why would I need to buy Rise and Fall as well as Gathering Storm?

[mare72]

im interested too...

[ultrablue]

Gathering storm will include everything in Rise and Fall except the Rise and Fall civilizations and leaders

[SamBC]

GS includes all gameplay features, but not all separable content (like civs, and some people are saying wonders - presumably both "world" and "natural").

[RON]

Wait a minute, so your telling me all this will be included in GS apart from the CIV's and wonders from R&F?

GREAT AGES

LOYALTY

GOVERNORS

ENHANCED ALLIANCES

EMERGENCIES

TIMELINE

??????????

[RON]

Ignore my above suprised reaction, found this, it's true!

https://twitter.com/EdBeach23/status/1066731882786754561

[zorkman]

If true they might as well pull Rise & Fall, as who in the right mind would pay the money for that just to get a few old Civiiizations.

[⎛Double Double⎞]

What about the new units from Rise and Fall like the Governement district and new units like Drones

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by zorkman:

If true they might as well pull Rise & Fall, as who in the right mind would pay the money for that just to get a few old Civiiizations.

anyone who likes to have everything, though people probably will only buy in a sale. Later people will but the inevitable complete edition, just like Civ V (you also get every system from G&K if you buy only BNW, btw)

[BlackSmokeDMax]

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

Originally posted by zorkman:

If true they might as well pull Rise & Fall, as who in the right mind would pay the money for that just to get a few old Civiiizations.

anyone who likes to have everything, though people probably will only buy in a sale. Later people will but the inevitable complete edition, just like Civ V (you also get every system from G&K if you buy only BNW, btw)

I would imagine they also will never have R&F back at its original full price. (At least I would hope not)

[SamBC]

Originally posted by ⎛Double Double⎞:

What about the new units from Rise and Fall like the Governement district and new units like Drones

The government district is part of the gameplay overhauls. It's essential for how governments work in R&F. I imagine that non-unique units are included, because they're essential to game balance.

Game balance is one of the major reasons they do this, I believe. To avoid balancing (and maintaining) two extra versions of the game for the second expansion, rather than just one. If it didn't include everything, there would be four versions of the game - vanilla, R&F, GS, and GS+R&F. Much more work.

Missing out civs, wonders, scenarios etc doesn't have the same effect.