EULA Are you kidding me?

[1andOnlyPayps]

I own every CIV game back to numero uno. This is a tragic disappointment. Will not buy and you shouldn't either. Do not encourage gaming companies to mutate into spyware scumbags. No. Just no.

[Esmarix]

Originally posted by tulle040657:

Originally posted by Tezzle:

I'm honestly getting mixed messages here...I've wanted to buy the new expansion but I don't know if it's safe..

They are not claiming to collect any more info on you than your OS, or your broswer, or steam itself. so if you are worried about it you really should not be using the internet at all

Except there are options to turn all those information gathering stuff off. There are tools and settings inside of windows that allows you the user to block all that info gathering. There are tools and settings for web browsers that grant anonymity and shows you warnings or heads ups before any info is gathered and then you choose yourself each time what can be gathered about you. A freaking video game about building damn windmills is not supposed to be gathering these information passively but if they want some info about me or what i like they can ask me to answer a quistionare. This is wrong on so many levels that its quite amazing and perplexing that people actually go along with it and think that all companies do this when they dont.

[Logistics enjoyer]

i may not be tech savvy but just buy a VPN or play offline simple no?

[Mod Sloth]

Can we take a second to acknowledge that OP wasted an opportunity by not titling this thread "Are EULA kidding me?"

[undefined]

Originally posted by RodentDung:

Andy, I don't have a smartphone, just a rubbish older mobile, but I am surprised that games (apps I guess?) actually want to monitor your GPS? That sounds like criminal level stalking. If I ever upgrade to a smartphone, I won't use any apps cause I heard they are dangerous for this kind of problem. And I heard social media apps are stalker programs too. Yuck

Well I know a lot of apps have location restrictions, like the major sports streaming ones. Some of them won't function unless you enable location services because of contracts with the league and local broadcasters.

Originally posted by Tezzle:

1: It's the same EULA/Privacy policy that's used in XCOM 2, GTA 5, Borderlands series and every other 2K/Take Two game, and people aren't complaining there?

3: This line "The types of information collected in connection with the activities listed above will vary depending on the activity. " Which seems to me that Civ6 might not even collect much..

3: It's not exactly a recent change
"TAKE-TWO INTERACTIVE SOFTWARE, Inc. PRIVACY POLICY
Last Updated May 8, 2018", same month as GDPR..

It just goes to show that people will believe any copypasta review. It's not even in the EULA for Civ 6, and yet here we still have people saying it is. I think more than likely people look for reasons to not buy games. It probably helps them narrow down the ridiculous amount of choices Steam throws at us every day. It's the only reason I can think of as to why people have targeted Civ 6 for a company's privacy policy that is pretty much universally in line with every online service out there.

All it takes is for one person to publish a single review.

[GZSTG]

I wonder if a mod will eventually lock this thread as it seems like nothing is getting done and people are just arguing in circles at this point.

[Let's Fighting Love]

You're buying into reactionary ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ from something that happened a year ago.

[proNobe|E-Mantra_Arcana]

£14 at the moment. Was about to buy it, but wont do it now. Thanks for heads up OP. /ps To all the rest people talking here about data sell etc. Give me your bank accounts and credentials I will be very happy to use them if you do not mind...Because you do not, right? Damn young hopeless generation.

[Mod Sloth]

Originally posted by proNobe|E-Mantra_Arcana:

£14 at the moment. Was about to buy it, but wont do it now. Thanks for heads up OP. /ps To all the rest people talking here about data sell etc. Give me your bank accounts and credentials I will be very happy to use them if you do not mind...Because you do not, right? Damn young hopeless generation.

But this doesn't even apply. A legitimate dev/publisher isn't about to just steal our money.

Damn old ignorant generation.

[Halfshell]

Came here after I saw the Eula. I will not be going to give a single cent to any of these people or buy any affiliated games until this Eula is butchered. This is an absolute disgrace to gaming and it will not be tolerate it in the slightest. Same goes for any other company that puts forward a Eula this invasive. Its a shame because I liked other 2k titles, guess I won't be interested in the next GTA, XCom's next DLC or finally pick up Borderlands 2.

[Myrkul]

It is dissapointing seeing that some people are defending 2k on this. I feel bad for future generations.

[GZSTG]

Originally posted by YV:

It is dissapointing seeing that some people are defending 2k on this. I feel bad for future generations.

I feel bad for past generations that they are so parinoid. this is not in the EULA as many posts and many other threads have made clear. is it scummy? yes it is but everyone does it. Have you used Google or Facebook recently did you give Zuckergurg premision to use your data. I have yet to see proof that they are infact stealing our data and instead see parinoid people trying to bring down the game given the amount of threads there have been about this topic.

[Halfshell]

Originally posted by GZSTG:

Originally posted by YV:

It is dissapointing seeing that some people are defending 2k on this. I feel bad for future generations.

I feel bad for past generations that they are so parinoid. this is not in the EULA as many posts and many other threads have made clear. is it scummy? yes it is but everyone does it. Have you used Google or Facebook recently did you give Zuckergurg premision to use your data. I have yet to see proof that they are infact stealing our data and instead see parinoid people trying to bring down the game given the amount of threads there have been about this topic.

And yet people seem to ignore that Microsoft Windows, that nearly everyone is using is spying on you too. It took me days to get most of it and I still haven't disabled everything. Spying on your consumers and trying to hide the fact is never okay. Theres absolutely no reason at all to do even half the things the Eula lists. Effectively, the Eula allows them to gain data on any part of your life they so desire. Remember that this is a game? To play? Why are you defending this?

[Myrkul]

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Theres absolutely no reason at all to do even half the things the Eula lists.

Exactly. These shady business pratices should not be tolerated.

Originally posted by GZSTG:

Originally posted by YV:

It is dissapointing seeing that some people are defending 2k on this. I feel bad for future generations.

I feel bad for past generations that they are so parinoid. this is not in the EULA as many posts and many other threads have made clear. is it scummy? yes it is but everyone does it. Have you used Google or Facebook recently did you give Zuckergurg premision to use your data. I have yet to see proof that they are infact stealing our data and instead see parinoid people trying to bring down the game given the amount of threads there have been about this topic.

This isn't about paranoia. It's about privacy. When i leave the door of my house closed, it's not only because i don't want someone robbing me but also because i also value my privacy. Would you leave your house open for strangers to roam around even if they will never rob you? Watching you sleep, watching you taking a ♥♥♥♥. If they aren't interacting with you or touching your things, does that make it any less ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up?

Just because X or Y company does "the same thing" is no excuse for 2K to do so as well. Let's say that you live in a War Zone where women get raped in a daily basis. Would it be okay to rape someone just because everyone else is doing it?

[Halfshell]

Or I just never buy a game from them again. If you just accept that these people have free access to your data with no consequences then every company will do this. Thing is, this Eula is much more invasive than Google. Whats to stop them from watching through your webcam? This Eula is free reign to do anything they bloody want but thats ok just because they haven't done anything yet. Man, are you just here to play devil's advocate because your main point is as shallow as a puddle.

[GZSTG]

Originally posted by YV:

Originally posted by Halfshell cat:

Theres absolutely no reason at all to do even half the things the Eula lists.

Exactly. These shady business pratices should not be tolerated.

Originally posted by GZSTG:

I feel bad for past generations that they are so parinoid. this is not in the EULA as many posts and many other threads have made clear. is it scummy? yes it is but everyone does it. Have you used Google or Facebook recently did you give Zuckergurg premision to use your data. I have yet to see proof that they are infact stealing our data and instead see parinoid people trying to bring down the game given the amount of threads there have been about this topic.

This isn't about paranoia. It's about privacy. When i leave the door of my house closed, it's not only because i don't want someone robbing me but also because i also value my privacy. Would you leave your house open for strangers to roam around even if they will never rob you? Watching you sleep, watching you taking a ♥♥♥♥. If they aren't interacting with you or touching your things, does that make it any less ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up?

Just because X or Y company does "the same thing" is no excuse for 2K to do so as well. Let's say that you live in a War Zone where women get raped in a daily basis. Would it be okay to rape someone just because everyone else is doing it?

now you are using a bad analogy living on a battlefield and having women raped everyday is different to our current discussion and it is about paranoia you are paranoid that people are invading your privacy in this age of internet there is no privacy. again I ask where is the proof that they are in fact invading our privacy and that it is not just a blanket statement for their online services.