I've done nothing to the Pantanal

[travisdead1]

Why can't I build a National Park there? I own all 4 tiles it sits on.

There are roads through it. Traders did that. But damnit there are roads through Yosimite Valley and the Grande Canyon.

There is a naturalist standing there...it is not outlined. I can't find a command to build the park anywhere.

[gimmethegepgun]

Naturalists must make a vertical diamond. Pantanal is always horizontal, right?
And if not, then the tiles are probably owned by different cities. All 4 need to be owned by the same city to make a National Park.

[travisdead1]

Ah well...yeah the Plantanal is horizontal. A vertical diamond is impossible. By the time I can make a naturalist, well it's been a long time and I need to use resources. It should be easier. I guess I'll have to make a city for nothing else when I get the chance.

[therealjohnconnor]

National parks need one hex accessible. A four hex natural wonder isn't accessible.

[cerberusiv]

I'm pretty sure I have had the Pantanal turn up as a vertical diamond. I usually split it between 2 national parks in different cities anyway as that gives more amenities and tourism.

You do need to be able to move a naturalist onto a tile that will be within the park boundary. With most natural wonders you can't do this but the underlying terrain of the Pantanal is marsh so you can move units onto it.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by therealjohnconnor:

National parks need one hex accessible. A four hex natural wonder isn't accessible.

All four hexes of Pantanal are accessible. They are pathable.

[travisdead1]

the Civopedia thing in game said it had to be a natural wonder. Or I may have misunderstood that. I had the entire pantanal, but it was 1/2 in one of my citie's and 1/2 in another of my cities. But it was all mine. The only construction there had been I DIDN'T DO IT. Traders built roads through it, and I can't control how they move, just where they go.

I don't even know where the command to build it will show up. It has to be hi8ghlighted first, the naturalist has to stand on a hex, but where does it say "build national park"?

[bbolto]

Originally posted by travisdead1:

I had the entire pantanal, but it was 1/2 in one of my citie's and 1/2 in another of my cities

Ok, so go into the citizen assignment for your city and make sure it owns all of the tiles where you'd make the park. You should see an option over the tiles the city doesn't own to "swap tile". And yeah roads don't make a difference for national parks.

[travisdead1]

Thanks! But i just got smart, finally, and looked up a TouTube video witha German guy explaining how to make and SHOWING it, so it made sense.

The problem was it had to be in the SAME CITY. Doesn't matter if both cities are yours, they must be the same city and all the hexes must have "charming" appeal...which is +5, I was thinking it was +4. That wasn't the problem though, natural wonder they were be +5 automatically.

You CAN'T SEE the appeal of hexes until you build a city there and look through the settler's lens. Hard to select a spot like that. Should be easier to find.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by travisdead1:

all the hexes must have "charming" appeal...which is +5, I was thinking it was +4. That wasn't the problem though, natural wonder they were be +5 automatically.

National parks require Charming in all 4 tiles when you make it, which is +2. Natural wonders and mountains are +4 (Breathtaking), though I think Pantanal is affected by appeal bonuses/penalties from adjacent tiles, unlike mountains which are always +4.

[SVRGE]

The same city thing is such BS. I control perhaps the only possible national park on the map in a current game, but I have 2 cities positioned in such a way so that I cannot swap control of all tiles to one or the other. OFC I didnt realize that they had to be the same city back in the medieval era when I founded the cities.

[tempest.of.emptiness]

Originally posted by SVRGE:

I control perhaps the only possible national park on the map in a current game,

That's probably not the case. National Parks work well with natural wonders, because of their high appeal, but they do not require natural wonders. A vertical diamond of four forest tiles will work just fine in most locations.

[gimmethegepgun]

You can always just CREATE an area to put a national park in by planting a bunch of woods. Each one will give +1 appeal to each adjacent tile, so you can make a big blob of them to make any area suitable. In fact just making a 4 tile diamond will be sufficient as long as you don't have other things reducing the appeal (namely of the north/south points of it, which will have 2 appeal from a second-growth woods diamond)