Open border city state

[[MC]DW]

Does anybody know on how to open border with city state?

[Exemplar]

Be the suzerain.

Can also just declare war on them for a few turns to move through. If they have no suzerain, no one really gets upset.

[gimmethegepgun]

The suzerain gets open borders, and once you reach the Modern era you can get the Gunboat Diplomacy diplomatic policy card which gives you +4 influence per turn and open borders with all city states.

Originally posted by Exemplar:

Can also just declare war on them for a few turns to move through. If they have no suzerain, no one really gets upset.

Declaring war on a city state gives warmongering, and counts as a surprise war (so Tomyris will hate your guts if you do that)

[Exemplar]

Hmm, usually the case to do it is for mobility limitation (Slow moving units, can't swim around because no cartography yet) it in the first half of a game, when warmongering penalty is very low if it's without city capture. Rest is true, though.

[gimmethegepgun]

The main reason I declare war on city states is if I have no envoys and they give me some stupid quest like get a musician in the ancient era or some such nonsense. Declare war to destroy the quest, make peace 10 turns later, get a new one next era instead of being stuck with the worthless one.

[Glemt]

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

some stupid quest like get a musician in the ancient era or some such nonsense

Impossible. You can get stupid quests, like convert to religion even if they are extremely far away, but you can't get stuff that is even theoretically impossible, like a musician in the ancient era. Quests just don't work that way.

[[MC]DW]

If I declaring war. Then that 5 envoys which had been given, will gone. . .

Is it true doing r&d on cartographer will works like open border?

[Exemplar]

Originally posted by MDW:

Is it true doing r&d on cartographer will works like open border?

It doesn't give open borders, no. It gives your units the ability to go around a cultural border if your limitation is along the sea, I meant.

Like, you're trying to explore along the coast, your boat/scout/whatever can't yet enter deep water tiles, only coast, so you're looking for ways to get open borders to proceed exploring. But with cartography you can circumnavigate it in deep ocean tiles.

[fanboy]

Originally posted by Glemt:

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

some stupid quest like get a musician in the ancient era or some such nonsense

Impossible. You can get stupid quests, like convert to religion even if they are extremely far away, but you can't get stuff that is even theoretically impossible, like a musician in the ancient era. Quests just don't work that way.

actually, there is quest to get great writer in ancient era, which is ridiculous because theatre square is only available in classical era, so medieval era is when you get the first great writer.
Some "simple" quest suddenly becomes hard due to the map, for example, sending trade route to a distant city-state, you need to setup trading post in other civs, but those civs often make wars against you.

[gimmethegepgun]

Originally posted by Glemt:

Originally posted by gimmethegepgun:

some stupid quest like get a musician in the ancient era or some such nonsense

Impossible. You can get stupid quests, like convert to religion even if they are extremely far away, but you can't get stuff that is even theoretically impossible, like a musician in the ancient era. Quests just don't work that way.

Technically it's not impossible to get a musician early on because you can buy them (and that quest isn't even totally unreasonable for Russia to complete).
Merchant and Writer are definitely possible quests in Ancient and I think Engineer is too (or at least Classical). Which are stupid quests.

[[MC]DW]

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