Occupied: no growth

[Papi]

So Greece♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥me off and now im taking all of their cities but after i take them it says " Occupied: no growth" what does it mean and how do i remove it?

[Nietodamus]

It means they are still owned by Greece. To transfer them over to your control you need Greece to give them to you in diplomacy.

[Papi]

Originally posted by Nietodamus:

It means they are still owned by Greece. To transfer them over to your control you need Greece to give them to you in diplomacy.

Even if greece declared war on me? So i have to wipe out all of Greece to get it? And how can i stop them Ai's from acusing me for beeing a warmonger if greece started?

[zamboni]

You can either wipe Greece out or you can sign a peace treaty in which they officially give you some of the cities you took.

For warmongering, other nations really don't care who started things. You'll get used to everyone hating you no matter what you do

[Nietodamus]

Originally posted by Steby:

Originally posted by Nietodamus:

It means they are still owned by Greece. To transfer them over to your control you need Greece to give them to you in diplomacy.

Even if greece declared war on me? So i have to wipe out all of Greece to get it? And how can i stop them Ai's from acusing me for beeing a warmonger if greece started?

No you dont have to wipe them out. Try to negotiate a peace treaty but also ask that they give control of the cities you conquered as well. Just ask for peace in the diplomacy screen and scroll down on their side of the negotiation till you see the names of the cities you conquered.

You're getting warmonger penalties because you are capturing cities. Even if they declared war on you capturing a city is warmongering.

[Papi]

Originally posted by Nietodamus:

Originally posted by Steby:

Even if greece declared war on me? So i have to wipe out all of Greece to get it? And how can i stop them Ai's from acusing me for beeing a warmonger if greece started?

No you dont have to wipe them out. Try to negotiate a peace treaty but also ask that they give control of the cities you conquered as well. Just ask for peace in the diplomacy screen and scroll down on their side of the negotiation till you see the names of the cities you conquered.

You're getting warmonger penalties because you are capturing cities. Even if they declared war on you capturing a city is warmongering.

Oh ok i didnt know the control city part Thanks!

[donald23]

Originally posted by zamboni:

You can either wipe Greece out or you can sign a peace treaty in which they officially give you some of the cities you took.

For warmongering, other nations really don't care who started things. You'll get used to everyone hating you no matter what you do

That just means you don't understand the diplomacy at work.

Warmonger penalty comes from capturing and razing cities. Civs can also dislike you, if you do not comply with their agenda. These can all be looked up.
It's very easily possible to become friends with the AI, just pay attention to what you do and why.

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by Nietodamus:

It means they are still owned by Greece. To transfer them over to your control you need Greece to give them to you in diplomacy.

Originally posted by zamboni:

You can either wipe Greece out or you can sign a peace treaty in which they officially give you some of the cities you took.

To remove the occupied status you need to make peace and nothing else. Greece DON'T need to officially give the cities (the cede option on the peace deal), it's the opposite, you don't want to ask Greece to cede.

Cede let you trade the city with another Civ later, that's all it does. It have zero effects on the occupied status of the city. It also give more warmongering than if you don't ask to cede. You don't need the AI to cede, this mechanic is useless and pointless, don't use it.

There's also a "you occupy one of our cities" -8 diplomatic penalty, which also have no relation with cede. To remove these, give one city back to the AI, either in the peace deal or in normal trade. It can be any city, you can make one in the middle of nowhere and give them, it will remove the penalty.

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by Steby:

Originally posted by Nietodamus:

It means they are still owned by Greece. To transfer them over to your control you need Greece to give them to you in diplomacy.

Even if greece declared war on me? So i have to wipe out all of Greece to get it? And how can i stop them Ai's from acusing me for beeing a warmonger if greece started?

As Donald said, you get warmongering when you conquer cities. You can remove the penalty giving the cities back in the peace deal our liberating conquered cities. It also fade 1 every two turns, so you can just let it fade if the penalty isn't too big.

If you don't want to be a warmonger, don't declare wars, don't take cities or learn how the system works and do it with caution. The game tell you exactly how much warmongering you're getting, you can manipulate the system if you want to. Granted, the game do a poor job explaining how it works so it take some forum reading to get really good with the system.

[Oor-tael]

Interesting thread here. But I would like to fully understand the matter :
* Is there any benefit to keeping a city with an occupied status ?
* What are the negative consequences of keeping a city with an occupied status ?
- does it give any "happiness" penalty ? (amenity, loyalty...?)
- the game says everywhere "no growth" but I observe that the city is growing normally. Is this a bug ?

[Cryten]

To answer all those questions with 1 simple answer: There no more benefit to holding an ocupied city bar denying your opponent. If peace is declared between you, the city will either be returned to them or given to you, there is no holding an occupied city in peace time.

[yutterh]

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

Originally posted by Nietodamus:

It means they are still owned by Greece. To transfer them over to your control you need Greece to give them to you in diplomacy.

Originally posted by zamboni:

You can either wipe Greece out or you can sign a peace treaty in which they officially give you some of the cities you took.

To remove the occupied status you need to make peace and nothing else. Greece DON'T need to officially give the cities (the cede option on the peace deal), it's the opposite, you don't want to ask Greece to cede.

Cede let you trade the city with another Civ later, that's all it does. It have zero effects on the occupied status of the city. It also give more warmongering than if you don't ask to cede. You don't need the AI to cede, this mechanic is useless and pointless, don't use it.

There's also a "you occupy one of our cities" -8 diplomatic penalty, which also have no relation with cede. To remove these, give one city back to the AI, either in the peace deal or in normal trade. It can be any city, you can make one in the middle of nowhere and give them, it will remove the penalty.

This is all untrue and comepletely false. When they cede you the city it is now under your control and they will grow again. I have done it many times when I was warmongering as sparta.

[Oor-tael]

What ? Of course there are benefits : I can build with it, it can grow... You're talking about peace, but what if there is no peace ? My opponent has no reason to make peace with me and accept to give the city, so this may well last the whole game...
So that's why I'm asking : I can see no penalty to this status, so what's the point ?

[yutterh]

Originally posted by Oor-tael:

What ? Of course there are benefits : I can build with it, it can grow... You're talking about peace, but what if there is no peace ? My opponent has no reason to make peace with me and accept to give the city, so this may well last the whole game...
So that's why I'm asking : I can see no penalty to this status, so what's the point ?

Must be a bug, cause it shouldn't be growing. Meaning no matter how much food or growth your supposed to be getting, which your probably seeing, it won't increase. Like dividing by zero, the positive growth doesn't matter because it all adds up to zero. Occupied cities are still cities, they jsut can't get any bigger tell you cede the city or destroy your enemy.

[leandrombraz]

Originally posted by yutterh:

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

To remove the occupied status you need to make peace and nothing else. Greece DON'T need to officially give the cities (the cede option on the peace deal), it's the opposite, you don't want to ask Greece to cede.

Cede let you trade the city with another Civ later, that's all it does. It have zero effects on the occupied status of the city. It also give more warmongering than if you don't ask to cede. You don't need the AI to cede, this mechanic is useless and pointless, don't use it.

There's also a "you occupy one of our cities" -8 diplomatic penalty, which also have no relation with cede. To remove these, give one city back to the AI, either in the peace deal or in normal trade. It can be any city, you can make one in the middle of nowhere and give them, it will remove the penalty.

This is all untrue and comepletely false. When they cede you the city it is now under your control and they will grow again. I have done it many times when I was warmongering as sparta.

Did you try to not ask the AI to cede, to see if it will grow anyway? Did you do proper testing of the mechanic? I did, so did other players at Civfanatics that like to test the mechanics and see how the game works. Go there, test it, see if I'm wrong.

[yutterh]

Originally posted by leandrombraz:

Originally posted by yutterh:

This is all untrue and comepletely false. When they cede you the city it is now under your control and they will grow again. I have done it many times when I was warmongering as sparta.

Did you try to not ask the AI to cede, to see if it will grow anyway? Did you do proper testing of the mechanic? I did, so did other players at Civfanatics that like to test the mechanics and see how the game works. Go there, test it, see if I'm wrong.

Yes because I held the city for 50 turns before I finished off the AI. They had more then 10 cities that i was taking over. My cities never grew. I could build in them and everything and they did get a growth bonus but no, they did not actually grow. The other cities that i took from other people all were able to grow normal and have no penalties once they were cede'd to me. This was all a month before R&F released.

I can no longer check this though, since I deleted my save once R&F came. I haven't played because I am waiting on mods to update. Mainly the x10 all in one mod, waiting on it to include era's.