casus belli > formal war does not provide inspiration for Nationalism

[mangopurple]

by design or bug?

[SpiderKhan]

design probably. formal war isn't what I'd define as a 'proper' casus belli, because a casus belli means 'an act or situation provoking or justifying war', whereas a formal war is basically just giving them a few turns warning and declaring war as you would. the denouncement is required for any casus belli as an FYI, so every casus belli is essentially a 'formal war'.

So by definition whereas with things like holy wars or liberation wars, you're 'retaliating' essentially, or colonial wars and territorial wars where you can justify the war (these people are savages, so we're bringing them enlightenment/they're encroaching on my territory!), a regular formal war isn't in retaliation or justified by reasoning, it's just, I suppose, polite.

[mangopurple]

yea make sense.
if so, they should take it out of the casus belli options...

[ST Hélios | No Game No Life]

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No because it actualy reduce the warmonger penality by one level i believe

[StrictNine]

Originally posted by ST Hélios | No Game No Life:

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No because it actualy reduce the warmonger penality by one level i believe

In my experiences it makes little difference - these penalties. They all start denouncing either way and you are seen as a warmongering savage.
AI

[mangopurple]

Originally posted by ST Hélios | No Game No Life:

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No because it actualy reduce the warmonger penality by one level i believe

if it actually does, then it should also give the inspiration IMO

[ST Hélios | No Game No Life]

@StrictNine
i'm actualy talking about the penalties applied on your civilisation like the removal of the Luxuries in your cities, the warmonger penalty when you declare a war changes that at least, idk for sure about other aspects

[ST Hélios | No Game No Life]

Originally posted by mangopurple:

Originally posted by ST Hélios | No Game No Life:

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No because it actualy reduce the warmonger penality by one level i believe

if it actually does, then it should also give the inspiration IMO

nah, would be too easy to get compared to other inspirations

[mangopurple]

Originally posted by ST Hélios | No Game No Life:

Originally posted by mangopurple:

if it actually does, then it should also give the inspiration IMO

nah, would be too easy to get compared to other inspirations

well the inspiration says "use a casus belli to declare war"
and the declare formal war is within the list of options after selecting CASUS BELLI

slightly ambiguous is all. no big deal

[ST Hélios | No Game No Life]

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i admit you're right, it should say in the inspiration wich ones are needed or wich one is excluded

[Cryten]

formal war is the basis point, the 0 change level. Surprise war increases your penalties, casius beli reduce your penalties. Formal war is just the starting point.

In the end the ai will choose to attack you more on if it thinks it has a chance of winning more then warmongering anyway. The only thing non warmongering does seem to do is prevent co-operative wars against you as the ai hates the other ai more.

[Cryten]

Originally posted by ST Hélios | No Game No Life:

@StrictNine
i'm actualy talking about the penalties applied on your civilisation like the removal of the Luxuries in your cities, the warmonger penalty when you declare a war changes that at least, idk for sure about other aspects

That is war weariness and its more to do with the acts of war occuring near a city then actually being in war.

[ST Hélios | No Game No Life]

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Acts of war? wich ones? i had my capital drained all it's luxury points (8 !) when it's last border was at least 10 tiles away from the frontline and actual combat
note : i declared war on gandhi

[Cryten]

Generally the nearest of your cities to combat, tile destruction, pillaged trade routes and the like. What im sure of is that units getting killed is the strongest influence on war weariness. Keep in mind that conquered cities will retain its war weariness from when it was conquered untill you have an extended period of peace.

Chaining wars can lead to revolts in this game which can hurt you badly. Effectively civ 6 forces you to be at peace at least 33% of the time.

[mangopurple]

tooltip for casus belli > declare formal war says:
"used to declare war on a player you have denounced at least 5 turns ago"

is it even possible to denounce the AI?

[ST Hélios | No Game No Life]

Originally posted by mangopurple:

tooltip for casus belli > declare formal war says:
"used to declare war on a player you have denounced at least 5 turns ago"

is it even possible to denounce the AI?

yep