Air Units - what is the point in Civ 6?

[neilwilkes]

Okay, I have only played 4 games (3 prince, One King) and it seems the whole air game has been massively deprecated in Civ6.

1 - In all 4 games played so far, no other civ has even bothered building any at all, so no need for jets to counter their bombers. I have never yet even seen an enemy aircraft never mind had to defend against one so what is the point?
2 - Bombers now do very, very little damage in the late game unless you have a whole fleet of the things at very high promotion levels.
3 - Jets no longer seem to be capable of strikes against ground units - the last time I tried this from a carrier (and why only 2 units per carrier?? Feeble is not the word) all I could do was deploy them or hit sea units
4 - Carriers are close to useless. Capacity of 2 units and also allowing bombers??? On a carrier??? Sure this was once done in WW2 on a raid against Japan, but a damned great bomber on a carrier??
5 - The range of the jet bombers is pathetically small.
6 - Stealth gives a jet bomber? Whats that all about - should be in advanced flight, with stealth allowing, er, stealth aircraft that should be able to fly round half the world.
7 - why can we not do strategic bombing?

Suggestions:
Add stealth aircraft for the stealth tech.
Increase their power.
Increase the number that can be based on a carrier
Stop bombers on carriers (that is just plain silly).
Allow Carrier Fleets - why can I not merge carrier units the same way you can military units? 3 carriers, even at only 2 units per carrier, would make a lot more sense.
Add carrier groups - this would allow merging a carrier with a destroyer & a cruiser/battleship, as is done in the real world as one lone carrier is way too vulnerable.
Add smart weaponry. We should be able to target specific buildings in city centres or districts.

As it currently stands, the air game is a total waste of time & effort - much better to build rocket artillery as it does much, much more damage.

What do you guys & gals think? I am clueless when it comes to IT so could not build a mod pack myself but would be happy to collaborate with someone who can do thhis

[neilwilkes]

mangopurple původně napsal:

i did see a post where someone said the AI actually built some planes.

i like to build air units. they have good range

They have range but no oomph. You need scads & scads to make a difference, and there is no targetted bombing - there should be a smart weaponry tech that allows you to pick a building or improvement - especially with the cruise on later game subs

[MultiFrαpsεr ツ]

mangopurple původně napsal:

i did see a post where someone said the AI actually built some planes.

i like to build air units. they have good range

Well if you didnt notice my earlier posts here, I had in my save-game France build 6 biplanes

[AbSlayer]

Well rare yes ! However last game I played France had # 6 fighter jets and they shot down any bomber I sent against them in one attack so sent in my tanks and destroyed them.
They had more air ports but never build any planes on these strange AL.
Seen it 2 times before also only single planes.
As for what good are planes in this game , I use them all the time to beat down a city and then sent in tanks to mop up , never losing a unit if any thing this is a unbalanced advantage to player big time.

[MaxDoomSWE]

Some guy have actually seen the AI build airplanes in Civ6. I havent. I feel another meme coming on:)

[AbSlayer]

you have to play to late in game 400 turns or so and you will see them

[MultiFrαpsεr ツ]

I am on turn 700+ when I won the game with domination victory.

I used nuke to just nuke Paris where they had the planes aswell.

[Kaihekoa]

Try playing on the hardest difficulties or at a later era start, you should see some air combat.

[neilwilkes]

Up to Emperor level now and still no sign of AI air units.
As for the air units themselves they are riidiculously weak - it seems they do very little damage unless you have scads & scads, and it is much better to get in close with missile cruisers and/or rocket artillery. Earlier regular artillery gets picked off too easily.

The thing for me is that it has been dumbed down to my mind. Stealth gives me jet bombers? Advanced Flight used to do that with Stealth being something else. There is no targetted raiding, the hit seems completely random. Early in the game yes - but not in late game please!!

[Eagle_Midena]

neilwilkes původně napsal:

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As it currently stands, the air game is a total waste of time & effort - much better to build rocket artillery as it does much, much more damage.
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Correct.

I think we have to wait/hope that the devs fix it.

[Abalister]

Air units, and advanced naval units are much more fun to play with when you start in later eras. Modern era is the best start. You can then enjoy all the late game features, and yes, if you focus on culture or science, and let your military weak, they will use their planes to attack you.

Did people actually played the game or they just played ancient era starts? Sighh.

[p2]

once you research flight and dont start with the required things by the time you have you will have the next tech and those first set of planes are made useless and since you have to build aerodomes so close to enemies for them to be useful you might already have the city by then. civ 5 was a lot better for planes

[MultiFrαpsεr ツ]

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

Abalister původně napsal:

Air units, and advanced naval units are much more fun to play with when you start in later eras. Modern era is the best start. You can then enjoy all the late game features, and yes, if you focus on culture or science, and let your military weak, they will use their planes to attack you.

Did people actually played the game or they just played ancient era starts? Sighh.

Who the hell doesn't start on ancient?

The early game is the best part, imo.

Same here, same with the mid-part but late part is somehow boring in some cases

[rhettrongun]

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

Abalister původně napsal:

Air units, and advanced naval units are much more fun to play with when you start in later eras. Modern era is the best start. You can then enjoy all the late game features, and yes, if you focus on culture or science, and let your military weak, they will use their planes to attack you.

Did people actually played the game or they just played ancient era starts? Sighh.

Who the hell doesn't start on ancient?

The early game is the best part, imo.

Starting at 4000 BC is kind of the classic way to play civ, so yeah I think most people are not starting games in the modern era. I may give it a try next time I play though.

[Jimib4158]

last generation are the only bombers worth building, use mainly against raging barbarians

[Abalister]

Scheneighnay původně napsal:

Abalister původně napsal:

Air units, and advanced naval units are much more fun to play with when you start in later eras. Modern era is the best start. You can then enjoy all the late game features, and yes, if you focus on culture or science, and let your military weak, they will use their planes to attack you.

Did people actually played the game or they just played ancient era starts? Sighh.

Who the hell doesn't start on ancient?

The early game is the best part, imo.

It's so boring to ALWAYS start games in ancient eras. I want variety in my games, and Civ VI is great with all different starting eras. You want modern stuff and play 500 turns with late-game stuff? The late eras starts are perfect for that. Ancient era starts are fun, but it won't let you enjoy the late-game stuff that much. Hence the reason why so many threads are popping up about boredom, planes, naval units etc.

I want a mix and variety. And those different starting eras are perfect for that. Different strategies too. Always playing ancient era, each and every game, must be so boring lol