Why can't we escort religious units?

[Digihuman]

This is something that bugs me ever since the religion overhaul. Religious Units cannot be escorted by military units. That's all well and good most of the time...except when you have civs like Spain, whose unique unit gets its bonus from having a Religious Unit in the same tile. Sure, it still WORKS, but without the Escort Formation, it means a needless number of extra clicks to keep them all moving together.

[Lemurian1972]

Yeah, I've been wrestling with this one myself. It bugs me for the same reasons it bugs you, in addition to the inevitable Apostles that end up as Chaplains.

Then I think about how much we gain from being able to attack and move for the religion game on essentially a separate layer. Having cities blocked by troops or making units immune to counter attack by standing them under a military was kind of the height of cheese and didn't make the game more fun.

I think the solution is to have a special Formation command that covers the needed exceptions. Like Conquistadors (and maybe Warrior Monks because it feels thematic) can make formations with other Religious units. And Apostles that get Chaplain (but only if they get that promotion) can form up with military units.

[JEELEN]

Originally posted by Lemurian1972:

Yeah, I've been wrestling with this one myself. It bugs me for the same reasons it bugs you, in addition to the inevitable Apostles that end up as Chaplains.

Then I think about how much we gain from being able to attack and move for the religion game on essentially a separate layer. Having cities blocked by troops or making units immune to counter attack by standing them under a military was kind of the height of cheese and didn't make the game more fun.

They still do that, especially if they're damaged.

Originally posted by Digihuman:

Religious Units cannot be escorted by military units. That's all well and good most of the time...except when you have civs like Spain, whose unique unit gets its bonus from having a Religious Unit in the same tile. Sure, it still WORKS, but without the Escort Formation, it means a needless number of extra clicks to keep them all moving together.

Should we call this another slight oversight on the part of the 6 designers?

[hopsblues]

I feel that if i don't have open borders and the ai sends a religous unit into my turf. I should be able to capture it. If I kill it, it could lead to war. If I just hold onto it, I should be able to negotiate it's release, or just hold onto it as a prisoner. Reliogous units shouldn't just waltz through my armies. They should need permission or I can arrest them.

[JEELEN]

That's incorrect. You can always 'debate' a rligious unit. Unless it's hiding under a military one.

I just made peace with Tibet (which has DOWed me 3 times now) and the turn after finished off its misisonary with my Apostle. 'Religious debate.'

[Lemurian1972]

Originally posted by JEELEN:

That's incorrect. You can always 'debate' a rligious unit. Unless it's hiding under a military one.

Religious units can fight while they stand under military units now. Not sure why you keep saying this.

[JEELEN]

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You can't ATTACK them. Please read what you think you're commenting on before posting anything.

[Lemurian1972]

I've read what you wrote 4 times. You said you can always debate a religious unit unless they hide under a military one. Your extraneous period splitting that into two sentences doesn't make it magically different. You can still debate a religious unit when it's hiding under a military one.

Since I write the comment you originally replied to, I know what I meant and you misunderstood because of my use of the term 'counter attack' or 'move and attack for the religion game'. The added phrase should have made it clear I was referring to religious units in Theological Combat, even if I didn't use precisely the correct term you were expecting.

Please read what you wrote before you try to be condescending again.