Why do people think this game is so bad?

[ape]

From what I've seen on youtube all the reviewers like it, I have played civ 5, why is it worse than that?

[ape]

Originally posted by Ape:

Originally posted by Sperglord:

When will there be a workshop if ever?

There will be, many people speculate it will be after a few dlc though so that they have time to milk money.

But that is just a rumor i heard

[Varivox]

Game is bad, imo, solely because of the AI. I like all the updates and tweaks and additions they made to Civ6, but it's all pointless because the AI is braindead incompetent. It could, mechanically, be the single greatest game ever made, yet that is moot if you don't have a compelling reason to play.

Think of it this way, let's say you LOVE gambling with your friends. Now, imagine one day your friends are all hit in the head with a baseball bat that does no damage aside from making them brainddead. Now, gambling is super easy and it is an instant victory because you literally have no one to play against, they literally can't play the game. Is it still fun if you are basically playing alone and there is little/no chance at losing? For me, no. I love poker, but I love it because I can lose, I hate Civ6 because I don't feel that I can lose.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Ape:

From what I've seen on youtube all the reviewers like it, I have played civ 5, why is it worse than that?

Because official and Steam forums are where people got to complain about every game, and for a live game, they're going to be skewed more negative than outside sources. That's not to say they don't have legitimate complaints, but the overall impression is going to be far worse in these places. Best I can say is judge for yourself. Entertainment investments are a gamble. I've played plenty of games that the critics and overall player scores hated and loved them myself. And I've had it go the other way around.

[Travathian]

AI is terrible, diplomacy is broken, U1PT still grossly harms the AI and now with religious unit spam also hurts the player. The easiest way to see what all is broken/missing in this game is to go see the modding community on civfanatics. And I don't just mean new civs.

Wait for it to hit $20. By then Firaxis will hopefully have fixed/updated the game to meet playable standards.

As it stands now, I own the digital deluxe version and likely won't play it again til late this year at the soonest.

[restarter]

the game is great and it will get better jsut like every single civ game. the AI is wonky but i have yet to play a civ game where the AI is anything but insane. as far as "milking money for DLC content" is a ridiculous notion considering how many hours people tend to put into civ games.
if you are paying pennies for hours of entertainment, you've more than received your money's worth.

[Varivox]

Originally posted by Trolled:

the game is great and it will get better jsut like every single civ game. the AI is wonky but i have yet to play a civ game where the AI is anything but insane. as far as "milking money for DLC content" is a ridiculous notion considering how many hours people tend to put into civ games.
if you are paying pennies for hours of entertainment, you've more than received your money's worth.

I do have to say, Civ6, mechanically, is the first Civ game in a while that I felt was a complete product on launch. In Civ5, the game was fairly mediocre and barebones until you got the expansions. In Civ6, I think most everything feels complete. Civ6's DLC is, imo, a game where the DLC will enhance the core game, rather than have the core game rely on the DLC, something I can't say about Civ5.

That said, like I said previously, the AI is so bad that all that praise is meaningless and doesn't matter as there is no compelling antagonist to play against.

[Star Paladin]

How to make it "way less bad": Get the Build Cue Mod; Get the Advanced Trade Routes Mod; Get the Defensive Spys on Sentry Mod; Only go for the Military victory.

This will make the game tollerable until the Devs actually impliment the basic/standard UI stuff their customer's already jurry-rigged for them, and they improve the AI so it does things that represent the "I" in AI.

[shiggies713]

I'm starting to enjoy it now that I have some mods installed.

Namely the Yet Not Another Earth Map Pack, and a few other by that author.

[frobisher]

Originally posted by Ape:

From what I've seen on youtube all the reviewers like it, I have played civ 5, why is it worse than that?

Why? Reasonably high expectations.

Civ is one of the great brands in this industry. It was earned by a number of great titles and works wonders for marketing.

The other side of the coin is that people who played earlier iterations will expect more than FIFA 2045. You can expect significantly more hostile reaction to attempts to "expand target audience", that too often comes with taking core audience for granted. There's a cousin of this tactics you might already know - removing "too complicated" features so it's not too intimidating - or stopping at "good enough" when working on certain parts, AI being one of the ugliest examples.


Basically, being a fan favorite does not mean people won't be critical about it - and furious about obvious screw ups. Which is fine by me, really - Firaxis has a goose that pops golden eggs out. It's only fair to expect that they won't starve that goose to collect 1% higher profit, make her cosplay as eagle because eagles are more mainstream or paint her pink, just because.

Personally, I feel series has peaked at IV, V being merely "good", which is hardly a praise given Civ's reputation. And that doesn't even include "mysteriously disappearing features" from IV that turned out to be "DLC policy" ever since Religion needed a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ xpack in V - I guess I'm supposed to be happy when pollution or individual happiness appear, this time with their own price tag.

[enderbeta]

I like aspects of Civ 6 better but I like other aspects of Civ 5 better.

The aspects I don't like:


How roads are made. It's interesting how the trade routes make the roads but if you want to make them you have to devote lots of time to build a large number of units to make the roads because they expire.

I have the same issue with builders. I absolutly don't like how builders expire. Production is already slow but you have to keep pumping out builders to get a city built up.

The graphics look more cartoony then Civ 5. I don't like the visual style as much.

The aspects I do like:

I like the districts and how you have to place them on the map. I like that they can be pillaged in batle. I like that they make the cities look more real.

I like how the objects being made show progress while they are being consrutcted.


I like how you can see the wonders on the map, that was a nice carry over from CIv 5.

I like that the armory disctrict can fire a shot at the enemy in addition to the city. It makes it feasible to place a city in a city and have the armory block the only path in on land and fortiy the entire area.

In general I feel like if the builders where put back to the way they have been from the dawn of the franchise this game would be darn near perfect.

[Sugam]

If the AI is complete garbage (and it still is) thenit does not matter how cool the game looks or its mechanics. Civ5 had really bad AI from the start but civ 6 is even worse. But if you don't really care about any level of AI then you should enjoy the game, treat it like a sad cringe like comedy.

[katzenkrimis]

Originally posted by Ape:

From what I've seen on YouTube all the reviewers like it.

That doesn't mean anything. A lot of those YouTubers are suck-ups.

They'll like anything.

Worst thing that ever happened was allowing everyone and their dog to review games on YouTube, and get paid for it. Now we've got developers sending them free games and technology to review their products.

It's crazy.

Big companies know how to win a kid's heart. Just flash the freebies. Flash the gear. Flash the dollar signs. It doesn't even have to be good. Just flash it for free, and these kids will bend at the knee.

Because of this, it's hard to get an impartial review of anything on YouTube.

Didn't you see what HP did recently with their new line of gaming computers? The HP Omen.

They blitzed YouTubers and sent a pile of them out. Boxes and boxes of tech for free.

Unannounced.

YouTubers were so stunned that they did half hour videos on how great HP was, and how they are in love with them. Best company ever, right?

Smart move by HP. But these kids were instantly sold on HP. Overnight.

I've been using Hewlett Packard products my entire life. I've never seen a kid rave about Hewlett Packard until a few weeks ago.

And just look at guys like Angry Joe and how he's changed over the years. That guy has been bought so many times recently, he may as well put a FOR SALE sign on his forehead.

Even when No Man's Sky came out, there were YouTubers refusing to hate that game, despite it being the worst game, and biggest scam, of 2016.

It's rare, but refreshing nowadays, to see a YouTuber truly hate a game that deserves it.

Civilization VI, in the condition it was released, should be burned at the stake.

Live streamed. On YouTube.

[Smyt]

I'm likng the game more and more as time goes on.They do have to do away with religious victories tho.It's either your all in on religion from the start or stand no chance to create a prophet or stop the 30 man apostle serges they send at you.Also on immortal and deity if you try to create a holy site early you will be ran over by barbarions or any civ near your borders.

[Ravenblade]

In my opinion it is just like Civ 5 in the beginning: A good game in the making.

Aside from the AI there are several mechanics which require tuning. Same goes for the UI (Civ 6 is the most opaque Civ I've ever played) and missing comfort. Missing things like the UN. Weak air combat. Overemphasis on religion with no endgame compensation for it.

[Oliseo]

If you're playing Single Player, it is bad.
The AI is rubbish.
Simple as that.
There's no argument.
Even those who like it will agree.
So how can a single player game with poor AI be any good?
Ask yourself this.