Useless reviews

[Pekinpaw]

So basically, every single review on the store page has been made totally pointless and useless by the new update allowing blur fix options and mouse/keyboard rebinding options, good move LionHead.

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Първоначално публикувано от robomagon:

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

TB's video makes valid points but he spends an awful amount of time on them, even wondering off and rambling about whether this remake should exist.

I never said TB wasn't constructive but it's scary when people are posting soley his video as a review or post and adhering to it. Either people 100% believe what a guy on the internet says or can't think for their self. Make points but don't rely on a video making them all for you. I accept there may be a few who've done the research and agree with TB's video.

"Textures look pretty bad for 2014? Make higher res textures."

Easy to say, hard to do. They already made some textures from scratch, believe it or not. Saying the textures look "ugly" isn't constructive, it's subjective and knowing TB and how much he expects of any PC game: he wants revolutionary graphics from a remaster. The first two points are fine though and more options is never a bad thing, esp. when we expect more from PC games in 2014 and with us being treated to a larger selection of games too.

What's funny is more options to remap was added in yesterday's patch but some reviews have already updated to basically say "until mouse support is added, this game's still crap" (paraphrased). So yes, some are purposely doing this and I hope to alert the dev's attention -- even though mouse support was highly requested on the hub and the major reason for the backlash post-release. Mouse support, the term, is misleading too. The mouse is supported; just not used in in-game menus. I can't imagine how people would've reacted to typical Xbox prompts on the main menu (like most other ports we get).

"No mouse control in menus? Put mouse control in menus."

Again, easy to say, hard to do. No one knows if it's even possible or was possible at release. There's nothing to suggest they didn't attempt it prior to all of this or that they purposely butchered/downgraded the controls from TLC. People jump to assumptions too quick, I'm sure you can agree here.

It's a no-brainer to include mouse cursors on menus for a PC game, so there's no good reason not to really do it (esp. with all the time spent on PC exclusive features for this port and changes like a new difficulty mode, save system, control schemes, FPS cap, etc.). But constructive criticism like you said.

I'm no texture artist, however I've seen modders do some amazing work making good looking games like Skyrim into absolutely fantastic looking games. And they aren't payed to do it. They do it in their spare time. IMHO the textures only look as bad as they do becaue XBOX. They probably already even have some higher res versions of some of them from before they had to downsample everything to fit into the 360's RAM.

I'm not a texture artist either. I like modding but I have very basic knowledge in regards to that area. I know how to install mods and how to modify small-scale... but that's it.

Anyway: fair point, console limitations (costing more money to rework PC version specifically too). But that applies to most games. I do remember an earlier dev stating they doubled the amount of on-screen stuff on the screen at any given time to take advantage of even the lowest PC hardware which is generally better than a 360 in some ways.

Don't quote me on that.

Modders are usually better than developers sadly. Modders used to become developers, now developers are bands of people with generally little experience and only serving corporate interests. I don't have to list any names, do I?

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Found the dev's post (Oman again):

http://steamcommunity.com/app/288470/discussions/0/34095051777812081/?tscn=1408159240#p1

Page 1, scroll down and there's a post about Lionhead reimporting textures higher-quality and doubling the amount of objects on-screen. The rest of the comment isn't as relevant.

[robomagon]

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

Found the dev's post (Oman again):

http://steamcommunity.com/app/288470/discussions/0/34095051777812081/?tscn=1408159240#p1

Page 1, scroll down and there's a post about Lionhead reimporting textures higher-quality and doubling the amount of objects on-screen. The rest of the comment isn't as relevant.

That is interesting. I don't think I've seen a texture comparison between this and the 360 version. I mean, clearly I don't personally think they did enough to make to textures look good by today's standards, but evidence that they at least did something to improve them over the console version would be nice to see.

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Първоначално публикувано от robomagon:

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

Found the dev's post (Oman again):

http://steamcommunity.com/app/288470/discussions/0/34095051777812081/?tscn=1408159240#p1

Page 1, scroll down and there's a post about Lionhead reimporting textures higher-quality and doubling the amount of objects on-screen. The rest of the comment isn't as relevant.

That is interesting. I don't think I've seen a texture comparison between this and the 360 version. I mean, clearly I don't personally think they did enough to make to textures look good by today's standards, but evidence that they at least did something to improve them over the console version would be nice to see.

Well I own the 360 version and the textures are slightly better. The comparison is more noticeable when you compare original to Anniversary but the PC textures aren't as significant as some were expecting. Can't blame either party for that.

I think there's a big concern in redoing textures in that they may not fit in the game any longer, stand out or just look plain weird.

[robomagon]

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

Първоначално публикувано от robomagon:

That is interesting. I don't think I've seen a texture comparison between this and the 360 version. I mean, clearly I don't personally think they did enough to make to textures look good by today's standards, but evidence that they at least did something to improve them over the console version would be nice to see.

Well I own the 360 version and the textures are slightly better. The comparison is more noticeable when you compare original to Anniversary but the PC textures aren't as significant as some were expecting. Can't blame either party for that.

I think there's a big concern in redoing textures in that they may not fit in the game any longer, stand out or just look plain weird.

Maybe modding really is this games future. In terms of models, I think they've done a good enough job of updating it. A fresh coat of user-made paint might be just the thing to make this look as good as it deserves to.

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Първоначално публикувано от robomagon:

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

Well I own the 360 version and the textures are slightly better. The comparison is more noticeable when you compare original to Anniversary but the PC textures aren't as significant as some were expecting. Can't blame either party for that.

I think there's a big concern in redoing textures in that they may not fit in the game any longer, stand out or just look plain weird.

Maybe modding really is this games future. In terms of models, I think they've done a good enough job of updating it. A fresh coat of user-made paint might be just the thing to make this look as good as it deserves to.

Well UE3 is very moddable and well-known to modders, even without the free modding DLC, and all the game has a very open-file format. It'll just take a while for modders to delve in and know everything they need to know to get started.

[Artemisinin]

Modding is the games future, the current content alone is not worth $35 - especially not when Fable TLC is $10.

I never had an issue with the blur or the controls (I have a 360 controller), but the idea of asking for $25 more when it's basically an updated menu, prettier faces and slightly better shaders, with bump maps and lightmaps is - to me at least - ludicrous.

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Първоначално публикувано от Artemisinin:

Modding is the games future, the current content alone is not worth $35 - especially not when Fable TLC is $10.

I never had an issue with the blur or the controls (I have a 360 controller), but the idea of asking for $25 more when it's basically an updated menu, prettier faces and slightly better shaders, with bump maps and lightmaps is - to me at least - ludicrous.

10 year old game. Metro Last Light is barely a year old yet they're asking $30.

And most remasters (Tomb Raider, The Last of Us) are $60 and even closer to the release date of the original.

Remasters are always hard to recommend but was Anniversary a good remaster? I thought it was. Control issues aside, of course. I thoroughly enjoyed it and it was a great way to replay the game that I loved when I was young. Essentially a nostalgia trip, yes, but $30 isn't too much considering all the changes in the port.

[toxoplasmosis]

Първоначално публикувано от Wasdom Kung:

You're right. The reviews are a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ disgrace. Full of moany bastards that weren't patient enough to get fixes. I had no problems with the game and made fixes myself following guides. Not hard folks.

So people should wait for the game they already paid for to be playeable? It brings tears to my eyes when people take a stance AGAINST the consumers.
Also the menu system is horredous, who thought no mouse support was a great idea? And binding some of menu controls to buttons some keyboards don't have is the real kicker here.
It's a nice gesture that the devs are fixing the problems this game has but when you release a half finished product expect to get reviews to reflect that. Look at battlefield 4.

[Major Respect]

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

I just saw a user on this hub write "keep ripping on it, hopefully the devs fix this game".

To me --> that's the problem. While developers can take useful information from complaints, ripping on a game has a less desirable effect and the developers are less likely to take you seriously as they'll see you as a) a troll or b) being overly critical/negative.

Writing in a relatively positive tone and in a moderate, balanced manner is the best way to go. It seems pretty dire if we have to insult developers or tear apart a product in order to get stuff fixed and is a horrible attitude to have.

I hope no community ever has to resort to that.

Truth ^ The team appreciates the support.

[A_]

They aren't useless yet. The U.I. is still a mess, there are no mouse controls on menus, a lot of models are still ugly and it's still to expensive for what it is. I have to give props to Lionhead for fixing a lot of my problems with the game in a single update though, it's rare that a company would fix so much in a game so quickly.

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Първоначално публикувано от Major Iris:

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

I just saw a user on this hub write "keep ripping on it, hopefully the devs fix this game".

To me --> that's the problem. While developers can take useful information from complaints, ripping on a game has a less desirable effect and the developers are less likely to take you seriously as they'll see you as a) a troll or b) being overly critical/negative.

Writing in a relatively positive tone and in a moderate, balanced manner is the best way to go. It seems pretty dire if we have to insult developers or tear apart a product in order to get stuff fixed and is a horrible attitude to have.

I hope no community ever has to resort to that.

Truth ^ The team appreciates the support.

No worries and thank you for your comment :)

[32bitrpgmega]

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

Първоначално публикувано от AlbionBoy:

You work at Lionhead studios don't you , Ted Timmins is that you ? http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2014/04/16/fable-anniversary-lead-ted-timmins-departs-lionhead-studios.aspx

Well I'm 19 years old right now... :)

But no, I addressed this in a comment prior to this one. Daring to give a positive review and defend a game against inane comparisons or insults seems to make me a fanboy or Lionhead Studios member these days. Where's the logic in the universe gone?!

Its a joke I was just being sarcastic. I always ask people if thier Ted. I'm 20 so I grew up with Fable ......I don't hate Anniversary I just dont love it like TLC , and I was one of the last moders for Fable TLC so now all my mods can not be used in this new game. I will probably Mod Anniversary sense in theory more compex mods should now be a posibility :D

If Fable TLC never existed Than Fable Anniversary would be the greatest RPG ever, in my opinion

[-3xA'Lu©κy the disappearing act]

Първоначално публикувано от AlbionBoy:

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

Well I'm 19 years old right now... :)

But no, I addressed this in a comment prior to this one. Daring to give a positive review and defend a game against inane comparisons or insults seems to make me a fanboy or Lionhead Studios member these days. Where's the logic in the universe gone?!

Its a joke I was just being sarcastic. I always ask people if thier Ted. I'm 20 so I grew up with Fable ......I don't hate Anniversary I just dont love it like TLC , and I was one of the last moders for Fable TLC so now all my mods can not be used in this new game. I will probably Mod Anniversary sense in theory more compex mods should now be a posibility :D

If Fable TLC never existed Than Fable Anniversary would be the greatest RPG ever, in my opinion

Haha I knew it was a joke but maybe that wasn't conveyed well in my post.

Anyway, we'll have to wait and be patient on Anniversary. The devs have issued 2 patches and for me, it was a great way to replay a great game. Remasters are always hard to recommend due to the price and superficial changes (most of the time) but I was pretty impressed with the improvements in Anniversary honestly. Like I said: hopefully this release gets better. Mouse support is all that's needed to trump TLC for me.

[G The Glamorous]

Първоначално публикувано от robomagon:

Първоначално публикувано от -3xA'Lu©κy:

TB's video makes valid points but he spends an awful amount of time on them, even wondering off and rambling about whether this remake should exist.

I never said TB wasn't constructive but it's scary when people are posting soley his video as a review or post and adhering to it. Either people 100% believe what a guy on the internet says or can't think for their self. Make points but don't rely on a video making them all for you. I accept there may be a few who've done the research and agree with TB's video.

"Textures look pretty bad for 2014? Make higher res textures."

Easy to say, hard to do. They already made some textures from scratch, believe it or not. Saying the textures look "ugly" isn't constructive, it's subjective and knowing TB and how much he expects of any PC game: he wants revolutionary graphics from a remaster. The first two points are fine though and more options is never a bad thing, esp. when we expect more from PC games in 2014 and with us being treated to a larger selection of games too.

What's funny is more options to remap was added in yesterday's patch but some reviews have already updated to basically say "until mouse support is added, this game's still crap" (paraphrased). So yes, some are purposely doing this and I hope to alert the dev's attention -- even though mouse support was highly requested on the hub and the major reason for the backlash post-release. Mouse support, the term, is misleading too. The mouse is supported; just not used in in-game menus. I can't imagine how people would've reacted to typical Xbox prompts on the main menu (like most other ports we get).

"No mouse control in menus? Put mouse control in menus."

Again, easy to say, hard to do. No one knows if it's even possible or was possible at release. There's nothing to suggest they didn't attempt it prior to all of this or that they purposely butchered/downgraded the controls from TLC. People jump to assumptions too quick, I'm sure you can agree here.

It's a no-brainer to include mouse cursors on menus for a PC game, so there's no good reason not to really do it (esp. with all the time spent on PC exclusive features for this port and changes like a new difficulty mode, save system, control schemes, FPS cap, etc.). But constructive criticism like you said.

I'm no texture artist, however I've seen modders do some amazing work making good looking games like Skyrim into absolutely fantastic looking games. And they aren't payed to do it. They do it in their spare time. IMHO the textures only look as bad as they do becaue XBOX. They probably already even have some higher res versions of some of them from before they had to downsample everything to fit into the 360's RAM.

there is no such thing called "2014 texture", and many people lack of knowledge seem to think better resolution = better texture. that's not true
I'm glad this "2014 texture standard" doesn't exist because it's bollock. if it was exist, it would mean games like Dishonored and Torchlight 2 have the worst texture ever.
there is a thing called visual style, Fable has the cartoonish style graphic so obviously you can't expect the texture to be realistic. even if it's high-res, there won't be any noticeable other than worse performance. and the PC version has better texture than console anyway.

a little off-topic: most Skyrim texture modders are a joke, you can't compare a guy who have freetime to draw some high-res texture to a guy who has been educated in texturing and basicly textured the whole game. not to mention most of texture mods are unoptimised and ruining the game's visual style.
of course there are some great texture modders, I have great respect for Cabal because he understand the art vision of Bethesda and try to retexture most armors with great quality without bullcrap resolution.