Female Player Character

[Foshizo]

It's the ultimate remake, yeah?

Let us make a woman.

[innoecent]

how are you guys still on about some ♥♥♥♥ from 2014 lol

[Tomibouzu]

Vztah eredeti hozzászólása:

how are you guys still on about some ♥♥♥♥ from 2014 lol

Lmao you should look at the one in the Morrowind Discussion thread. It is on something like page 300 now i'm sure.

edit: I'm wrong. from 2014 at has 1030 pages and over 15,000 comments.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

feature doesn't have to break a game for one person but can for another person? " yes, that is exactly what i have been telling you. Actually i've said it almost every single time i've replied.

The only ugly that has come to this threat was from the original poster and those with the same entitled outlook on a 15 year old game.

It's not up to us how someone chooses how to enjoy their game. Peter Molyneux made "a revolutionary game for everyone" except it wasn't revolutionary and certainly not for everyone. Telling someone "Know what you're before you buy it" isn't logical when they're asking for a feature which has been standard far before the original game released on Xbox, whether the game is now just a remaster or not is irrelevant. There's no shame in accepting that Lionhead dropped the ball here.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

you are asking a lot of questions with simple answers.

" Why else would there be people complaining about it?" people complaine about everything, even when there are anti discriminatory laws made people complain.

" Why else would people make mods to try to make females playable?" Again people make a lot of modes for a lot of things, does not mean they should all be features in the game. Oblivion and skyrim both have big lists of Adult mods so should the base games contain Nudity now?

They are not so simple if you cannot comprehend why people want the missinf feature in the first place.

This has nothing to do with sexualization of the female body, it has to do with the game missing a feature which rpg's with far less budget seem to possess. The whole "You guys just want a booty to look at argument" is irrelevant, as is the skimpy armor Skyrim mod comparison and is a petty excuse for the game, yet again. Especially since you don't even know if the people wanting this feature are male or female but even if you did, your opinion would still be stereotypical and not logical.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

"Why would people be crossdressing to try to fake it?" It's an RPG, maybe you are Rping a crossdresser.

"You call missing a feature a people are asking for a "pro"? " Actually you did, i'll Copy the quote again. " Female protagonists should never be for aesthetics, if you're playing rpg's in which female protagonists does nothing for the story, then you're playing the wrong rpg's."

Never said you were insulting the game, just like i've not been defending the game. I'm just pointing out the blatent faults in your argument.

You did say it before lol it was one of your first comments you responded to me with...

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Okay, so basically what everybody has been telling you, but you use it to attempt to insult the game instead of simply saying what we've all already been saying. "the game was not meant for you, go play another game". not sure what about the game triggered you so bad, but you might want to seek some help.

There's no use of backpeddling when I, myself and others can just go back and read comments. You've basically accused me of everything, in your own ignorance simply because you can't stand that I properly rebutted your facade of a stance and even now you contradict yourself.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

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I did hit the edit button, but i didn't change the text, i was grabbing the quotes from you that you didn't read then or this time.

I have read your comments, i just can't be bothered to reply to some of the more redundant stuff.

having to settle for a game that does not offer a feature you'd like was never the topic of discussion. Go back to the top of the page, it was "Female Player Character
It's the ultimate remake, yeah?

Then perhaps, it's not me that went off-topic because you obviously missed thr fact that people told the OP to crossdress and just settle for that. So I'm not the one who went there, I simply responded. You are wrong, yet again.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

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Actually they are. For Fable to have included a female option they would have either had to add a lot to make sure it was not just an esthetic choice, but that also would have meant chaning the vision of the game and therefore make another game altogether.

They had all the necessary tools to accomplish adding a well-rounded female experience. There is no excuse to do it. Saying "It wasn't their original vision" is an excuse when Peter Molyneux wanted to make a revolutionary rpg for everyone.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Nope, i implied that Bethesda did add gender options but in a way where it didn't change the game much if at all. At most it was get x more damage. Dialogue was very rare, i think i can only remember 2 cases of it in Fallout 3. Fallout NV had a ton of Minor and Major Dialogue choices based on your characters gender and being female would allow you easier access to some locations for quests. Again NV was Obsidian so it does not count for Bethesda.
Outside of bethesda obviously there are better female options for RPG. Bethesda is not this grand deity of the RPG developer world, they made very flat broad RPGs, Morrowind being the last really great one before they simplified it heavily. Even morrowind didn't handle Gender very well.

If you can try to be civil and read what you are writing this conversation might be rational.

I'm not talking about major dialouge changes or cataclysmic events based atound your gender, I already know everything you're saying and you're not making much sense here.

I'm talking about small things that cater around to your character's gender and you'd be lying if you said the small stuff didn't add up to make a huge difference in the end. An npc simply saying "She/her/Woman" is a small thing that makes a huge difference. Buying or looting woman's necklace or bracelet is bigger than you're giving credit for.

Every Bethesda rpg has had gender specific perks (perks which both genders have but affect npc's in different ways) so why only tell half the story? Yes. Precisely... Again, I'm just remaining completely truthful here.

I've never been uncivil, perhaps you should stop backpeddling, lying and manipulating things and I wouldn't have to repeat everything. I've only ever been unbiased and my knowledge of rpg's has made my statements valid.

[Tomibouzu]

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

feature doesn't have to break a game for one person but can for another person? " yes, that is exactly what i have been telling you. Actually i've said it almost every single time i've replied.

The only ugly that has come to this threat was from the original poster and those with the same entitled outlook on a 15 year old game.

It's not up to us how someone chooses how to enjoy their game. Peter Molyneux made "a revolutionary game for everyone" except it wasn't revolutionary and certainly not for everyone. Telling someone "Know what you're before you buy it" isn't logical when they're asking for a feature which has been standard far before the original game released on Xbox, whether the game is now just a remaster or not is irrelevant. There's no shame in accepting that Lionhead dropped the ball here.

Hang on here, "Dropping the Ball here" implies you wanted them to include the feature. Meaning you wanted the 15 year old game to change.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

you are asking a lot of questions with simple answers.

" Why else would there be people complaining about it?" people complaine about everything, even when there are anti discriminatory laws made people complain.

" Why else would people make mods to try to make females playable?" Again people make a lot of modes for a lot of things, does not mean they should all be features in the game. Oblivion and skyrim both have big lists of Adult mods so should the base games contain Nudity now?

They are not so simple if you cannot comprehend why people want the missinf feature in the first place.

This has nothing to do with sexualization of the female body, it has to do with the game missing a feature which rpg's with far less budget seem to possess. The whole "You guys just want a booty to look at argument" is irrelevant, as is the skimpy armor Skyrim mod comparison and is a petty excuse for the game, yet again. Especially since you don't even know if the people wanting this feature are male or female but even if you did, your opinion would still be stereotypical and not logical.

It's not hard to see why someone woulld want the feature, but would the feature warrent remodeling the game to accommodate the feature or leave it to asthetic only?

I was not saying it had anything to do with sexualization of the female body. It was if people making mods for things was warrent enough to add them to the main game. People want a lot of things from mods, should fallout 4 have Starwars clothes because players modded them in? Nope, because being a mod is not enough to say if it should or should not be in the game.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

"Why would people be crossdressing to try to fake it?" It's an RPG, maybe you are Rping a crossdresser.

"You call missing a feature a people are asking for a "pro"? " Actually you did, i'll Copy the quote again. " Female protagonists should never be for aesthetics, if you're playing rpg's in which female protagonists does nothing for the story, then you're playing the wrong rpg's."

Never said you were insulting the game, just like i've not been defending the game. I'm just pointing out the blatent faults in your argument.

You did say it before lol it was one of your first comments you responded to me with...

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Okay, so basically what everybody has been telling you, but you use it to attempt to insult the game instead of simply saying what we've all already been saying. "the game was not meant for you, go play another game". not sure what about the game triggered you so bad, but you might want to seek some help.

There's no use of backpeddling when I, myself and others can just go back and read comments. You've basically accused me of everything, in your own ignorance simply because you can't stand that I properly rebutted your facade of a stance and even now you contradict yourself.

uhh if that quote was meant to prove i said it was a pro you might want to read it for once. I don't even need to backpeddle as the quote seems to be irrelevant for why you quoted it.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

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I did hit the edit button, but i didn't change the text, i was grabbing the quotes from you that you didn't read then or this time.

I have read your comments, i just can't be bothered to reply to some of the more redundant stuff.

having to settle for a game that does not offer a feature you'd like was never the topic of discussion. Go back to the top of the page, it was "Female Player Character
It's the ultimate remake, yeah?

Then perhaps, it's not me that went off-topic because you obviously missed thr fact that people told the OP to crossdress and just settle for that. So I'm not the one who went there, I simply responded. You are wrong, yet again.

you said you responded, then that would mean you are quoting me and responding to others?
so wouldn't that make you wrong? It is after all not my fault you are talking to the wrong person when you quote me.

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Actually they are. For Fable to have included a female option they would have either had to add a lot to make sure it was not just an esthetic choice, but that also would have meant chaning the vision of the game and therefore make another game altogether.

They had all the necessary tools to accomplish adding a well-rounded female experience. There is no excuse to do it. Saying "It wasn't their original vision" is an excuse when Peter Molyneux wanted to make a revolutionary rpg for everyone.

They have all the tools to add what you called a bad implementation of it.

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Nope, i implied that Bethesda did add gender options but in a way where it didn't change the game much if at all. At most it was get x more damage. Dialogue was very rare, i think i can only remember 2 cases of it in Fallout 3. Fallout NV had a ton of Minor and Major Dialogue choices based on your characters gender and being female would allow you easier access to some locations for quests. Again NV was Obsidian so it does not count for Bethesda.
Outside of bethesda obviously there are better female options for RPG. Bethesda is not this grand deity of the RPG developer world, they made very flat broad RPGs, Morrowind being the last really great one before they simplified it heavily. Even morrowind didn't handle Gender very well.

If you can try to be civil and read what you are writing this conversation might be rational.

I'm not talking about major dialouge changes or cataclysmic events based atound your gender, I already know everything you're saying and you're not making much sense here.

I'm talking about small things that cater around to your character's gender and you'd be lying if you said the small stuff didn't add up to make a huge difference in the end. An npc simply saying "She/her/Woman" is a small thing that makes a huge difference. Buying or looting woman's necklace or bracelet is bigger than you're giving credit for.

Every Bethesda rpg has had gender specific perks (perks which both genders have but affect npc's in different ways) so why only tell half the story? Yes. Precisely... Again, I'm just remaining completely truthful here.

I've never been uncivil, perhaps you should stop backpeddling, lying and manipulating things and I wouldn't have to repeat everything. I've only ever been unbiased and my knowledge of rpg's has made my statements valid.

Yea, and None of the Elder scrolls games has done this. You can buy and loot woman's Necklaces as a male character as well. Stretching the truthful maybe. Read through even 1 of your past very biased statements. If it has not been an attack of everybody elses character it is an attack of some other sort.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Hang on here, "Dropping the Ball here" implies you wanted them to include the feature. Meaning you wanted the 15 year old game to change.

Wrong. This has nothing to do with what I want, although this may be what you want me to want, what you're saying isn't true.

No, I don't want or care for the 15 year old game to change, again, you're putting words in my mouth. The fact that female protagonists were a standard before Fable existed or even was conceptualized speaks for itself. Has nothing to do with what I want. I will say again that I enjoyed the game and this doesn't affect my experience but that doesn't mean that it's not a con. The difference between us is that I'm not selfish enough to discard anything else that others want, or admit to realize that other people may have a point that something is missing that there is actually an audience (more than a few people) who want something.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not hard to see why someone woulld want the feature, but would the feature warrent remodeling the game to accommodate the feature or leave it to asthetic only?

Because it takes ALOT more work for one modder to do it in their spare time than a team of experienced developers to do it, with their massive budget. This should be common sense.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

I was not saying it had anything to do with sexualization of the female body. It was if people making mods for things was warrent enough to add them to the main game. People want a lot of things from mods, should fallout 4 have Starwars clothes because players modded them in? Nope, because being a mod is not enough to say if it should or should not be in the game.

Fable isn't Skyrim or Fallout 4, it doesn't have thousands of modders or even a community which is of very many types of mindsets. The number of people who play Skyrim with sexy mods is a very small percentage, and Fable is a very niche game. Still, just because Lionhead failed with it, doesn't mean that modders shoukd pick up their slack years later in excuse to make it appear as if fanboys defending the game are correct. It wouldn't change anything.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

uhh if that quote was meant to prove i said it was a pro you might want to read it for once. I don't even need to backpeddle as the quote seems to be irrelevant for why you quoted it.

You are backpeddaling lol You're just trying to cover your tracks with more excuses. I get it, it's all good. Just keep in mind that you did say it, it's not a big deal.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

you said you responded, then that would mean you are quoting me and responding to others?
so wouldn't that make you wrong? It is after all not my fault you are talking to the wrong person when you quote me.

I responded to different people, never responded to you until you responded to me. You should really stop and think before you confuse yourself more.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

They have all the tools to add what you called a bad implementation of it.

To whose standard? Yours? I'm talking realistically, not imaginary bs :P What good is your standard to anyone if you don't respect anyone else's standard. At least people who disagree with you have a legit point here.

If you think they're gonna be published by you know who, giving them millions, then you're even more delusional than you've been showing. They had the tools to do a good implementation but again, you're contradicting yourself here, if you don't think they had the tools to make a decent implementation then you're admitting to female protagonists being more than aesthetics. So thank you.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Yea, and None of the Elder scrolls games has done this. You can buy and loot woman's Necklaces as a male character as well. Stretching the truthful maybe. Read through even 1 of your past very biased statements. If it has not been an attack of everybody elses character it is an attack of some other sort.

Yes you can, but you're missing the point in a desperate attempt to try to to argue with me. It's not about crossdressing lol Its about effort. Again, you're disregarding any truth of what difference of experience offered by Bethesdarpg's... only showing one side of the coin.

I've never attacked anything, you're just being super sensitive and reading things that aren't there. I simply stated truths you do not like or want to see. Your bitterness doesn't stem from me making up stuff but only that which you have manipulated throughout the thread. You're constantly stating that female prrotagonists have only been aesthetic, so many rpg's out there prove you wrong but you've yet again contradicted yourself in this convo so... Yeah, don't think I'm the one stretching the truth who where I'mnot the one that can't make up my mind.

So, how long are you going to drag this off-topic? I mean, you're the one who brought up Bethesda in the first place, not me.

[Tomibouzu]

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Hang on here, "Dropping the Ball here" implies you wanted them to include the feature. Meaning you wanted the 15 year old game to change.

Wrong. This has nothing to do with what I want, although this may be what you want me to want, what you're saying isn't true.

No, I don't want or care for the 15 year old game to change, again, you're putting words in my mouth. The fact that female protagonists were a standard before Fable existed or even was conceptualized speaks for itself. Has nothing to do with what I want. I will say again that I enjoyed the game and this doesn't affect my experience but that doesn't mean that it's not a con.

as true as it is that female protagonists were around before fable existed does that change that it was not what they were making.

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not hard to see why someone woulld want the feature, but would the feature warrent remodeling the game to accommodate the feature or leave it to asthetic only?

Because it takes ALOT more work for one modder to do it in their spare time than a team of experienced developers to do it, with their massive budget. This should be common sense.

okay, but does this feature warrent remodeling the game to accommodate the feature or leave it to asthetic only?
please stick to the question if you are going to reply to a question.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

I was not saying it had anything to do with sexualization of the female body. It was if people making mods for things was warrent enough to add them to the main game. People want a lot of things from mods, should fallout 4 have Starwars clothes because players modded them in? Nope, because being a mod is not enough to say if it should or should not be in the game.

Fable isn't Skyrim or Fallout 4, it doesn't have thousands of modders or even a community which is of very many types of mindsets. The number of people who play Skyrim with sexy mods is a very small percentage, and Fable is a very niche game. Still, just because Lionhead failed with it, doesn't mean that modders shoukd pick up their slack years later in excuse to make it appear as if fanboys defending the game are correct. It wouldn't change anything.

The game is irrelevant, the question was does there being a mod made for something warrent the modded features inclusion in the base game?

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

uhh if that quote was meant to prove i said it was a pro you might want to read it for once. I don't even need to backpeddle as the quote seems to be irrelevant for why you quoted it.

You are backpeddaling lol You're just trying to cover your tracks with more excuses. I get it, it's all good. Just keep in mind that you did say it, it's not a big deal.

can you quote where i said it? you didn't before so i couldn't see it. you did quote something saying something else.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

you said you responded, then that would mean you are quoting me and responding to others?
so wouldn't that make you wrong? It is after all not my fault you are talking to the wrong person when you quote me.

I responded to different people, never responded to you until you responded to me. You should really stop and think before you confuse yourself more.
one.

uhh that was kind of obvious, and not what i was talking about. I'll say the question again. were you quoting me and responding to others?

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

They have all the tools to add what you called a bad implementation of it.

To whose standard? Yours? I'm talking realistically, not imaginary bs :P

If you think they're gonna be published by you know who, giving them millions, then you're even more delusional than you've been showing. They had the tools to do a good implementation but again, you're contradicting yourself here, if you don't think they had the tools to make a decent implementation then you're admitting to female protagonists being more than aesthetics. So thank you.

to your standard. or at least the one you said that i quoted.
as for how i'd know if they did poorly with the tools if they had them, Fable 2 and 3 speak for me. With the money and tools they still didn't have the writer or competence to add to Fable.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Yea, and None of the Elder scrolls games has done this. You can buy and loot woman's Necklaces as a male character as well. Stretching the truthful maybe. Read through even 1 of your past very biased statements. If it has not been an attack of everybody elses character it is an attack of some other sort.

Yes you can, but you're missing the point in a desperate attempt to try to to argue with me. It's not about crossdressing lol Its about effort. Again, you're disregarding any truth of what difference of experience offered by Bethesdarpg's... only showing one side of the coin.

I've never attacked anything, you're just being super sensitive. I simply stated truths you do not like. Your bitterness doesn't stem from me making up stuff but only that which you have manipulated throughout the thread. You're constantly stating that female prrotagonists have only been aesthetic, so many rpg's out there prove you wrong but you've yet again contradicted yourself in this convo so... Yeah, don't think I'm the one stretching the truth who where I'mnot the one that can't make up my mind.

So, how long are you going to drag this off-topic? I mean, you're the one who brought up Bethesda in the first place, not me.

why do you keep going back to cross dressing? that ♥♥♥♥ is irrelevant here. I'm not disregarding that Bethesda can do an asthetics only gender option, only pointing out that they do not do it to the standard you yourself put in place.

Never said female protagonists have only been Asthetic, only that Betheda only does Asthetic only Male/Female Protagonists. Fallout and Fallout 2 did the Male Female choice very well, so did some other games like KOTOR 2 and i think Jade Dynasty. Bethesda has not been known for it's good track record of features. The only times i bring up other games is for examples, then i usually drop them after, you are the only one latching onto them.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

as true as it is that female protagonists were around before fable existed does that change that it was not what they were making.

The developers originally promised playable Female characters, they got lazy and didn't deliver. Read humbly and learn..
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/927246-fable-ii/45514552

And before you try to twist/manipulate the link into being about Fable II, it's actually about things Peter Molyneux promised in Fable 1 but the link says Fable II because it's in the Fable II section.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

okay, but does this feature warrent remodeling the game to accommodate the feature or leave it to asthetic only?
please stick to the question if you are going to reply to a question.

Remodeling the whole game is unneeded to add a legitamate female experience. The writers would need to do more work and make the experience believable. It's really not that much work as people think. Female targeted items, armors, etc are simpler things to accomplish and that's why modders can do this easier.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

The game is irrelevant, the question was does there being a mod made for something warrent the modded features inclusion in the base game?

If the game is irrelavant, then why bring it into the convo in the first place? Different games call for different audiences, that doesn't exclude features though.

As far as mods warranting major changes that the community requests/represent, well if remasters have given any indication then the answer is "Yes." Developers support the "entitlement" mindset that the community possesses and that's why they make remasters, hell, that's why games like Titan Quest are getting full-fledged dlc years later out of nowhere.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

can you quote where i said it? you didn't before so i couldn't see it. you did quote something saying something else.

I already quoted it, just because you deny you said it, doesn't mean you never said it. And nah, but feel free to keep lying lol

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

uhh that was kind of obvious, and not what i was talking about. I'll say the question again. were you quoting me and responding to others?

This isn't what you asked before and it's not a response to anything that has to do with the comment with which you responded in the first place so...?

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

to your standard. or at least the one you said that i quoted.
as for how i'd know if they did poorly with the tools if they had them, Fable 2 and 3 speak for me. With the money and tools they still didn't have the writer or competence to add to Fable.

My standard is the standard of that has only been shown by the gaming industry before Fable existed.

Again, Fable 2 and 3 do not speak for the development failures of Fable 1. So why are you trying to generalize it as if it was true? Why do you continue to lie about being so sure about thesw things? Can you prove that Lionhead had the same budget, workers, writers, artists, time frame as the first game? You'd be lying, yet again, if you said you could.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

why do you keep going back to cross dressing? that ♥♥♥♥ is irrelevant here. I'm not disregarding that Bethesda can do an asthetics only gender option, only pointing out that they do not do it to the standard you yourself put in place.

Why do you keep going back to Bethesda? Why do you keep saying that I want things I don't care for? Why do you keep lying? Again, if the ♥♥♥♥ is irrelevant then why are you disagreeing with me that crossdressing isn't a substitute for female genderism? Why not quote the person who brought it up in the first place and tell them it's irrelavant?

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Never said female protagonists have only been Asthetic, only that Betheda only does Asthetic only Male/Female Protagonists. Fallout and Fallout 2 did the Male Female choice very well, so did some other games like KOTOR 2 and i think Jade Dynasty. Bethesda has not been known for it's good track record of features. The only times i bring up other games is for examples, then i usually drop them after, you are the only one latching onto them.

The female and male treatment in Bethesda is still fair, there are many options there, though I do agree that other games do it better.

I could bring up a list of many games that do male/female treatment exceptionally well but that wouldn't be any use.

[Tomibouzu]

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

The game is irrelevant, the question was does there being a mod made for something warrent the modded features inclusion in the base game?

If the game is irrelavant, then why bring it into the convo in the first place? Different games call for different audiences, that doesn't exclude features though.

As far as mods warranting major changes that the community requests/represent, well if remasters have given any indication then the answer is "Yes." Developers support the "entitlement" mindset that the community possesses and that's why they make remasters, hell, that's why games like Titan Quest are getting full-fledged dlc years later out of nowhere.

DLC and features being added to the base game are different. And here you are again Advocating for change.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

can you quote where i said it? you didn't before so i couldn't see it. you did quote something saying something else.

I already quoted it, just because you deny you said it, doesn't mean you never said it. And nah, but feel free to keep lying lol

No need to lie, what i read that you posted never once said anything to me supporting anything. If you can quote it i will believe it. Don't just quote randoms stuff unless you just can't understand english well. If you are not native english it would explain a lot.

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

uhh that was kind of obvious, and not what i was talking about. I'll say the question again. were you quoting me and responding to others?

This isn't what you asked before and it's not a response to anything that has to do with the comment with which you responded in the first place so...?

actually it is, i just changed the first word. same question different first word. So were you quoting me and responding to others?

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

to your standard. or at least the one you said that i quoted.
as for how i'd know if they did poorly with the tools if they had them, Fable 2 and 3 speak for me. With the money and tools they still didn't have the writer or competence to add to Fable.

My standard is the standard of that has only been shown by the gaming industry before Fable existed.

Again, Fable 2 and 3 do not speak for the development failures of Fable 1. So why are you trying to generalize it as if it was true? Why do you continue to lie about being so sure about thesw things? Can you prove that Lionhead had the same budget, workers, writers, artists, time frame as the first game? You'd be lying, yet again, if you said you could.

never said fable 2 or 3 spoke for the development of Fable 1, It speaks of the Developers. For real is english your first language?

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Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

why do you keep going back to cross dressing? that ♥♥♥♥ is irrelevant here. I'm not disregarding that Bethesda can do an asthetics only gender option, only pointing out that they do not do it to the standard you yourself put in place.

Why do you keep going back to Bethesda? Why do you keep saying that I want things I don't care for? Why do you keep lying? Again, if the ♥♥♥♥ is irrelevant then why are you disagreeing with me that crossdressing isn't a substitute for female genderism? Why not quote the person who brought it up in the first place and tell them it's irrelavant?

I'm only bringing Bethesda up in response to your bringing it up. When you cease then i can stop pointing out the weakness of that part of your argument.

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

Never said female protagonists have only been Asthetic, only that Betheda only does Asthetic only Male/Female Protagonists. Fallout and Fallout 2 did the Male Female choice very well, so did some other games like KOTOR 2 and i think Jade Dynasty. Bethesda has not been known for it's good track record of features. The only times i bring up other games is for examples, then i usually drop them after, you are the only one latching onto them.

The female and male treatment in Bethesda is still fair, there are many options there, though I do agree that other games do it better.

I could bring up a list of many games that do male/female treatment exceptionally well but that wouldn't be any use.

no ♥♥♥♥ bringing a list of games that did it better would be pointless, it was never a subject of discussion. Only that Bethesda does not treat Gender as more than an Asthetic and is in no way an example of the choice done well.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

DLC and features being added to the base game are different. And here you are again Advocating for change.

And you totally, yet again, missed the point. This is like beating a dead horse, why ask a question if you're going to ignore the honest answer?

You took one word out of what I wrote and discarded e erything else, why? Becausd you knew it was right but you didn't want to admit it. If dlc is the only thing you can focus on or take away from that there then you may need to rethink things in general. As it was part of a logical answer in support from developers and community alike.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

No need to lie, what i read that you posted never once said anything to me supporting anything. If you can quote it i will believe it. Don't just quote randoms stuff unless you just can't understand english well. If you are not native english it would explain a lot.

You should really take your own advice, you're the only one here making things up as you go along. I've noticed how you blame me for your false logic and try to reverse on me what should be told to you. This has been a repeated thing in this convo between you and I.

I already quoted you and it's like you refuse to accept facts with not only this but other things as well.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

actually it is, i just changed the first word. same question different first word. So were you quoting me and responding to others?

I'll let you keep asking me, and continue to derail the topic further with more ignorance. Who knows you'll probably try to tell me "Stay on topic and answer my question" if I answer you.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

never said fable 2 or 3 spoke for the development of Fable 1, It speaks of the Developers. For real is english your first language?

Actually you did, another lie I see, go back, read your comment. No reason to backpedal now. Doesn't look like I'm the one with the problem, our English seems fine on both ends but you seem to be a pathological liar and your desperation to make me look like the "wrong one" is becoming overly apparent.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm only bringing Bethesda up in response to your bringing it up. When you cease then i can stop pointing out the weakness of that part of your argument.

You brought it up first actually, again, go back and look at the comments you wrote. And that's fine, I'll be here soeaking the truth if reality as long as it takes.

Tomibouzu eredeti hozzászólása:

no ♥♥♥♥ bringing a list of games that did it better would be pointless, it was never a subject of discussion. Only that Bethesda does not treat Gender as more than an Asthetic and is in no way an example of the choice done well.

Ummm... okay then lol Then why name off all a list yourself? I'm loving the entitlement attitude though lol You can, but I can't or whatever.

And yes, they do because again, you're totally leaving out gender specific perks and gender specific dialogue, this has to be the the 4th time I say it but you love to beat around the bush for the sake of "being right". What do you even consider good gender treatment in rpg's, I wonder. I probably shouldn't ask at this point. The dialogue fir gender isn't as minimal as you suggest, it's obvious Bethesda rpg's make it known to players that they are male or female characters.

Your wall of lies was an entertaining read, and smart move avoiding that you lied about Fable male only protagonists being part of Lionhead's original vision because that may have been one of your biggest lies of all...

[M姆êr MïñÐ]

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

females are weak and are not as strong or fast as men. If you don't believe me have females compete with men in sports and blood sport.

Except for the fact that is untrue and has been proven untrue time and time again. I would check the facts.

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

everyone knows what will happen.
we know what you want to do with your fable hero dude. you want to fap, fap, fap. play skyporn or falloutporn.

Well all of us are not a horny teen with raging hormones like you, if you knew anything about rpg's you'd know that the gameplay difference is never just cosmetic.

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

where is my mirrors edge male option? where is my male player_character1 for tomb raider! that silly game called zero harzion dawn. why do i have play a girl with spears and arrow against metal beasts?! makes no sense. why do i have to play as a female in nier? why do I have play a female in most of the games that come out now?

Those are not rpg's... Comparing a lambo to a bus wouldn't make much sense now would it?

Remember, this convo is about a specific genre, not games as a whole. We're not talking about character games like Tomb Raider.... this is a make your own character (be who you want to be... "almost") game. For that reason, I often wonder if it was incomplete when it shipped or they just didn't care.

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

more importantly why does anyone care about gender of characters made up of 1 and 0's?

As I said time and time again, it matters in a western rpg when female characters offer a different story than male characters.

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

personally I think humans in games should be removed and only made up beings should be in games.

Yes, more irrelevance being spewed from your mouth...

yeah that is why julius caesar's troops had a famius song when he was conquering europe. : /
oh and the mongols! every asian person (except japanese) alive today has a little Genghis Khan in them today. ; ) oh and how the mongols took over baghdad. that is a good history refnece. ^^ outside of fantasy how many all female warriors took over empires and raped the men? name one historical ref. thanks.

fable was never an rpg. : / it's an action rpg. there is a huge differnce. please learn the differnce you seem confused or trolling. HA!

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

yeah that is why julius caesar's troops had a famius song when he was conquering europe. : /
oh and the mongols! every asian person (except japanese) alive today has a little Genghis Khan in them today. ; ) oh and how the mongols took over baghdad. that is a good history refnece. ^^ outside of fantasy how many all female warriors took over empires and raped the men? name one historical ref. thanks.

fable was never an rpg. : / it's an action rpg. there is a huge differnce. please learn the differnce you seem confused or trolling. HA!

A great history lesson from someone who can't even spell or use proper punctuation? Did you only stay in school to learn that one irrelevant lesson? Or did you not go to school at all and just decide to google this to make you look smart?

Either way, Fable is an rpg, an action rpg is a sub-genre of the rpg genre. What it isn't, is a Jrpg, Crpg or Tactical rpg. So in your own effort to troll with the usual irrelevance and ignorance, you dug your own grave on that one.

[M姆êr MïñÐ]

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

yeah that is why julius caesar's troops had a famius song when he was conquering europe. : /
oh and the mongols! every asian person (except japanese) alive today has a little Genghis Khan in them today. ; ) oh and how the mongols took over baghdad. that is a good history refnece. ^^ outside of fantasy how many all female warriors took over empires and raped the men? name one historical ref. thanks.

fable was never an rpg. : / it's an action rpg. there is a huge differnce. please learn the differnce you seem confused or trolling. HA!

A great history lesson from someone who can't even spell or use proper punctuation? Did you only stay in school to learn that one irrelevant lesson? Or did you not go to school at all and just decide to google this to make you look smart?

Either way, Fable is an rpg, an action rpg is a sub-genre of the rpg genre. What it isn't, is a Jrpg, Crpg or Tactical rpg. So in your own effort to troll with the usual irrelevance and ignorance, you dug your own grave on that one.

funny you cant read. : / the store page says action rpg and the game has always been an actrion rpg. btw you're racist af. : / I am japanese. english is not my native language.

you are just a racist as logan paul. : / you like making fun of japanese people. I bet you would laugh at me if I was dead as you said "my grave"

people please report (DontBlink+_-UrDead) his/her hate speach. thank you. It is sickening that westerners can make fun of asians and laugh at our dead mocking us and get away with it.
westerners are racist it seems. you are and so is logan paul very racist.

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

funny you cant read. : / the store page says action rpg and the game has always been an actrion rpg. btw you're racist af. : / I am japanese. english is not my native language.

Your bad English has nothing to do with me lol Another petty insult because you can't get your way. How do I even know what nationality you really are? This is the internet, you could be anything and use lane excuses for everything (as you have been).

Not capatalizing or using periods has nothing to do with Japanese being your native language, I have friends whose primary languages are Japanese/Indian/Romanian and they don't show symptoms of shortening words or non-capatalization to an almost state of ebonics. What are you going to do now? Report me for pointing out your bad English? Lol Okay, because that really counts as knocking down someone's heritage right? Especially when you have no idea what nationality I am... Very smart.

Anyway, back to topic, if you're going to be logical then best not make things up. Fable is a Western Rpg, Western as in regional. Fable is an rpg (As an genre as a whole). Fable is action based (Therefore it's an action rpg). So if you want to get super technical, it's a "Western Action Rpg". This does not mean it's not an rpg, you're making up things like the other guy to try to "Win".

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

funny you cant read. : / the store page says action rpg and the game has always been an actrion rpg. btw you're racist af. : / I am japanese. english is not my native language.

you are just a racist as logan paul. : / you like making fun of japanese people. I bet you would laugh at me if I was dead as you said "my grave"

people please report (DontBlink+_-UrDead) his/her hate speach. thank you. It is sickening that westerners can make fun of asians and laugh at our dead mocking us and get away with it.
westerners are racist it seems. you are and so is logan paul very racist.

I'll tell you what, since you can't handle someone disagreeing with you and you have to turn/twist things into drama or make things up to get your way, I'm going to report you for trolling and have this thread locked. I'll contact mods directly rather just hit the report button.

[M姆êr MïñÐ]

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

funny you cant read. : / the store page says action rpg and the game has always been an actrion rpg. btw you're racist af. : / I am japanese. english is not my native language.

Your bad English has nothing to do with me lol Another petty insult because you can't get your way. How do I even know what nationality you really are? This is the internet, you could be anything and use lane excuses for everything (as you have been).

Not capatalizing or using periods has nothing to do with Japanese being your native language, I have friends whose primary languages are Japanese/Indian/Romanian and they don't show symptoms of shortening words or non-capatalization to an almost state of ebonics. What are you going to do now? Report me for pointing out your bad English? Lol Okay, because that really counts as knocking down someone's heritage right? Especially when you have no idea what nationality I am... Very smart.

Anyway, back to topic, if you're going to be logical then best not make things up. Fable is a Western Rpg, Western as in regional. Fable is an rpg (As an genre as a whole). Fable is action based (Therefore it's an action rpg). So if you want to get super technical, it's a "Western Action Rpg". This does not mean it's not an rpg, you're making up things like the other guy to try to "Win".

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

funny you cant read. : / the store page says action rpg and the game has always been an actrion rpg. btw you're racist af. : / I am japanese. english is not my native language.

you are just a racist as logan paul. : / you like making fun of japanese people. I bet you would laugh at me if I was dead as you said "my grave"

people please report (DontBlink+_-UrDead) his/her hate speach. thank you. It is sickening that westerners can make fun of asians and laugh at our dead mocking us and get away with it.
westerners are racist it seems. you are and so is logan paul very racist.

I'll tell you what, since you can't handle someone disagreeing with you and you have to turn/twist things into drama or make things up to get your way, I'm going to report you for trolling and have this thread locked. I'll contact mods directly rather just hit the report button.

you insulted me and made racist assumptions. not everyone knows english well.

わるがき

[♡ Katalina Aryze ♡]

Mr. Courage eredeti hozzászólása:

DontBlink +_- UrDead eredeti hozzászólása:

Your bad English has nothing to do with me lol Another petty insult because you can't get your way. How do I even know what nationality you really are? This is the internet, you could be anything and use lane excuses for everything (as you have been).

Not capatalizing or using periods has nothing to do with Japanese being your native language, I have friends whose primary languages are Japanese/Indian/Romanian and they don't show symptoms of shortening words or non-capatalization to an almost state of ebonics. What are you going to do now? Report me for pointing out your bad English? Lol Okay, because that really counts as knocking down someone's heritage right? Especially when you have no idea what nationality I am... Very smart.

Anyway, back to topic, if you're going to be logical then best not make things up. Fable is a Western Rpg, Western as in regional. Fable is an rpg (As an genre as a whole). Fable is action based (Therefore it's an action rpg). So if you want to get super technical, it's a "Western Action Rpg". This does not mean it's not an rpg, you're making up things like the other guy to try to "Win".

I'll tell you what, since you can't handle someone disagreeing with you and you have to turn/twist things into drama or make things up to get your way, I'm going to report you for trolling and have this thread locked. I'll contact mods directly rather just hit the report button.

you insulted me and made racist assumptions. not everyone knows english well.

わるがき

I have done no such thing. How could I insult you if I didn't even know what heritage you are? Wth? Lol You just want me to get banned because I proved you wrong. This has nothing to do with heritage/racism.