How does horn growth work?

[Metric Guard]

The horn on BB hasn't really grown at all. Does it have anything to do with heroism and non-lethal methods? Does killing a lot of people make it larger?

[Zeke]

Originally posted by supertrooper225:

Originally posted by Ezikeyal:

It's not shrapnel for the most part, how could it be since it is not there during the accident or even there during the admission to the hospital, so the only logical biomedical excuse is it's a tumour of some description.



Nothing. It's just a "Hey look how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up you are" type of thing that doesn't affect gameplay, aside from being obnoxious as ♥♥♥♥.

If it was a tumor he could just remove it. Its shrapnel that cannot be removed due to brain hemorrhage.

If it was shrapnel, Judging by the absolute maximum size it can attain were you to max out your demon score, That would mean the entirety of it would be lodged in his brain.

Lets take a moment and realize that it's not possible, as the back end of the shrapnel (Since the max size of the shrapnel would not be more than 90% out of the skull, otherwise removal would only affect his optical nerve and prefrontal cortex and therefore we okay with removal) the entire piece of non-metal would have to seen at the back of the head.

I'm talking Phineas Gage levels of ♥♥♥♥ in your face, it would be poking out both ends if it truly was any kind of shrapnel

Cancerous tumours on the other hand that protrude your skull and affect your brain tissue however couldn't be "Removed" easily.

[Ēarendel]

Originally posted by supertrooper225:

Originally posted by !!-*Trickster*-!! ^^:

Bro, get outta here. Vic Boss ain't evil. That horn just ratchet is all.

The horn is a hitch so Big Boss can jump up onto a magnet from the bottom of a chopper.

R&D has done it again! xD

[MrFluffyWolf]

Originally posted by Ezikeyal:

If it was shrapnel, Judging by the absolute maximum size it can attain were you to max out your demon score, That would mean the entirety of it would be lodged in his brain.

Lets take a moment and realize that it's not possible, as the back end of the shrapnel (Since the max size of the shrapnel would not be more than 90% out of the skull, otherwise removal would only affect his optical nerve and prefrontal cortex and therefore we okay with removal) the entire piece of non-metal would have to seen at the back of the head.

I'm talking Phineas Gage levels of ♥♥♥♥ in your face, it would be poking out both ends if it truly was any kind of shrapnel

Cancerous tumours on the other hand that protrude your skull and affect your brain tissue however couldn't be "Removed" easily.

Yes, it is pretty unrealistically big.
However, all in game sources clearly state it's a hunk of shrapnel, and it IS there in the hospital, and.. No idea what else to say.
Game says it's shrapnel, so it's shrapnel.

[supertrooper225]

Originally posted by Ezikeyal:

Originally posted by supertrooper225:

If it was a tumor he could just remove it. Its shrapnel that cannot be removed due to brain hemorrhage.

If it was shrapnel, Judging by the absolute maximum size it can attain were you to max out your demon score, That would mean the entirety of it would be lodged in his brain.

Lets take a moment and realize that it's not possible, as the back end of the shrapnel (Since the max size of the shrapnel would not be more than 90% out of the skull, otherwise removal would only affect his optical nerve and prefrontal cortex and therefore we okay with removal) the entire piece of non-metal would have to seen at the back of the head.

I'm talking Phineas Gage levels of ♥♥♥♥ in your face, it would be poking out both ends if it truly was any kind of shrapnel

Cancerous tumours on the other hand that protrude your skull and affect your brain tissue however couldn't be "Removed" easily.

Come on....its Metal Gear. There was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ghost in MGS 3. Weirder things have occured like the lightning throwing guy from MGS 3 as well.

[Ēarendel]

The growth from demon points is non-canon obviously. Snake doesn't like to waste bullets. XD

[Swgmaster11]

Originally posted by supertrooper225:

Originally posted by Ezikeyal:

If it was shrapnel, Judging by the absolute maximum size it can attain were you to max out your demon score, That would mean the entirety of it would be lodged in his brain.

Lets take a moment and realize that it's not possible, as the back end of the shrapnel (Since the max size of the shrapnel would not be more than 90% out of the skull, otherwise removal would only affect his optical nerve and prefrontal cortex and therefore we okay with removal) the entire piece of non-metal would have to seen at the back of the head.

I'm talking Phineas Gage levels of ♥♥♥♥ in your face, it would be poking out both ends if it truly was any kind of shrapnel

Cancerous tumours on the other hand that protrude your skull and affect your brain tissue however couldn't be "Removed" easily.

Come on....its Metal Gear. There was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ghost in MGS 3. Weirder things have occured like the lightning throwing guy from MGS 3 as well.

You missed the opportunity of saying a Helicopter got devoured by a giant fire whale and exploded during the first MGSV TPP mission

[supertrooper225]

Originally posted by Swgmaster11:

Originally posted by supertrooper225:

Come on....its Metal Gear. There was a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Ghost in MGS 3. Weirder things have occured like the lightning throwing guy from MGS 3 as well.

You missed the opportunity of saying a Helicopter got devoured by a giant fire whale and exploded during the first MGSV TPP mission

That was so odd that it cancelled itself out in my mind. Looked cool though.

[EQOAnostalgia]

Originally posted by Ezikeyal:

Originally posted by supertrooper225:

OK, well that is confusing. Shrapnel doesn't grow. This game isn't trying to take after Fable.

It's not shrapnel for the most part, how could it be since it is not there during the accident or even there during the admission to the hospital, so the only logical biomedical excuse is it's a tumour of some description.

Originally posted by Mute_Guardian7:

What happens when it is fully grown? Does anything negative happen?

Nothing. It's just a "Hey look how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up you are" type of thing that doesn't affect gameplay, aside from being obnoxious as ♥♥♥♥.

It's not a tumah!

[baddude1337]

I honestly haven't even noticed that it grew. I've had quite a few enemy kills in this now but haven't seen it get any bigger. Are enemy combatants fair game or does tranq'ing more cancel it out?

[JamJackEvo]

Originally posted by baddude1337:

I honestly haven't even noticed that it grew. I've had quite a few enemy kills in this now but haven't seen it get any bigger. Are enemy combatants fair game or does tranq'ing more cancel it out?

The hidden Demon Points gauge has chances of increasing and decreasing, and it all depends on your actions. From what I've seen from leaked guidebooks, the best way to lower Demon Points is by unlocking achievements/trophies. I honestly do not know why.

Other ways to decrease it is extracting wounded soldiers via helicopter, extracting child soldiers (fulton or heli, but the latter has double points than fulton), disposing of nuclear weapons, extracting very rare animals, extracting prisoners, etc.

[WelvynZPorter]

The more bad things you do, the more people you kill, or if you research the nuke. You get "demon points". The more demon points you have the bigger the horn is untill you finally become "Demon Snake" and your clothing will be permanrly covered in blood.

You can reduce your horn size by doing things that earn you heroism points.

[Tawm]

You've got to go all lethal and be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. The wounds repair themselves if you're a nice guy.

[Metric Guard]

Originally posted by Zii:

or if you research the nuke.

Uhh, isn't getting a nuke part of an achievement? Or can you get rid of it after getting the achievement? I don't really want to get demon points.

[WelvynZPorter]

Originally posted by Mute_Guardian7:

Originally posted by Zii:

or if you research the nuke.

Uhh, isn't getting a nuke part of an achievement? Or can you get rid of it after getting the achievement? I don't really want to get demon points.

According to my piggyback guide it goes like so:

(COPIED FROM OFFICIAL GUIDE (Possible spoiler? Not really? Just being safe here.)

The length of the horn-like shrapnel protruding from Big Boss's forehead is determined by the hidden Demon value, There are three possible sizes. each corresponding to a specidic Demon point milestone

Default Horn...Short<25,000 Medium<25,000-50,000 Long<50,000
1st Change....Short<40,000 Medium<40,000-80,000 Long<80,000
2nd Change...Short<55,000 Medium<55,000-110,000 Long<110,000
3rd Change....Short<70,000 Medium<70,000-140,000 Long<140,000
4th and Last...Short<85,000 Medium<85,000-175,000 Long<170,000

Whenever you hit the "long horn" milestone, Big Boss becomes "Demon Snake". At this point, his outfit is permantly soaked in blood and cannot be washed away if you shower or attempt to bathe in rivers and pools. Even a change of clothes will not remove these perpetual stain (though an exception is made for the special Solid Snake, Cybord Ninja and Raiden costumes you can obtain in late-game unlocks.)

You lose Demon Snake status by performing actions that lead to Demon point reductions that move you back into the "Medium Horn" category. Whenever you transfer between levels -from medium size to small, or from long to medium, all thresholds will increase in the table to the right.

NUKES (THAT PART YOU WERE ASKING)

Of all actions that adjust your Heroism and Demon totals, developing a nuclear weapon has perhaps the most profound consequences. The moment that the manufacturing process is complete, your Heroism score is reduced by -50,000 points and your Demon value increases by +50,000 points. For many players, the latter penalty will instantly transform Big Boss in Demon Snake. You should therefore think very carefully before you commit to researching.

What does the nuke do?
By developping a nuclear deterret, you can prevent rivals from attempting to infiltrate you FOB. Equally you cannot infiltrate the FOB of rivals who posses a nuclear weapon. HOWEVER, THERE IS A CRITICAL EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE: any player who unlocks the "Hero" accolade (by accumulating 150,000 Heroism points) IS IMMUNE to neclear retaliiation and their ability to raid is not restricted.

I can give you a list of mission that will increase/decrease Demon/Heroism is there's enough people here that want it. Hope this helps.

[Metric Guard]

Originally posted by Zii:

NUKES (THAT PART YOU WERE ASKING)

Of all actions that adjust your Heroism and Demon totals, developing a nuclear weapon has perhaps the most profound consequences. The moment that the manufacturing process is complete, your Heroism score is reduced by -50,000 points and your Demon value increases by +50,000 points. For many player, the latter penalty will instantly transform Big Boss in Demon Snake. You should therefore think very carefully before you commit to researching.

What does the nuke do?
By developping a nuclear deterret, you can prevent rivals from attempting to infiltrate you FOB. Equally you cannot infiltrate the FOB of rivals who posses a nuclear weapon. HOWEVER, THERE IS A CRITICAL EXCEPTION TO THIS RULE: any player who unlocks the "Hero" accolade (by accumulating 150,000 Heroism points) IS IMMUNE to neclear retaliiation and their ability to raid is not restricted.

Can you get rid of the nuke after developing it? Because there's supposed to be an achievement for doing so.

Originally posted by Zii:

I can give you a list of mission that will increase/decrease Demon/Heroism is there's enough people here that want it. Hope this helps.

Please do, I'd like to know how to decrease demon points if I ever turn into Demon Snake.