Kaz totally dies.

[TheFriendlyBro]

Totally.

[Sekkuar666]

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Like i said,it was irrelevant who killed him,if it was relevent we woud see that person/ or be hinted on him true the timeline.

That's what I said!

Kaz and Ocelot conversation at the end of mission 46 hints that was Ocelot who had Kaz killed.
If that was the case, then it would not be irrelevant!

There, watch again
https://youtu.be/psK_qKR9kHo?t=9m57s

[Red]

Liquid impersonates Miller in MGS, of course Liquid was the one behind his assassination. Ocelot had no real reason to kill him because by then both big bosses are dead (Or rather "dead" in the case of big boss). With both of them dead, they have no more ties.

And EVEN if it was Ocelot's idea for Liquid to impersonate Miller, Liquid was still the boss of the operation and it was ultimately his decision to pull the trigger on him.

[Sekkuar666]

Publicado originalmente por Red:

Liquid impersonates Miller in MGS, of course Liquid was the one behind his assassination. Ocelot had no real reason to kill him because by then both big bosses are dead (Or rather "dead" in the case of big boss). With both of them dead, they have no more ties.

That makes absolutely no sense!

Know what, you wanna believe that, "fine by me".

[Delfo]

I went through the whole game thinking Kaz would die... SCREW YOU

[Sekkuar666]

Publicado originalmente por Delfo3333:

I went through the whole game thinking Kaz would die... SCREW YOU

What? Why?

Even Ground Zeroes tells Kaz died in 2005, that's no spoiler at all.

[Red]

Publicado originalmente por Sekkuar:

Publicado originalmente por Red:

Liquid impersonates Miller in MGS, of course Liquid was the one behind his assassination. Ocelot had no real reason to kill him because by then both big bosses are dead (Or rather "dead" in the case of big boss). With both of them dead, they have no more ties.

That makes absolutely no sense!

Know what, you wanna believe that, "fine by me".

Can you tell me the part that makes no sense instead of arguing like a 5 year old? Thanks.

[Delfo]

Publicado originalmente por Sekkuar:

Publicado originalmente por Delfo3333:

I went through the whole game thinking Kaz would die... SCREW YOU

What? Why?

Even Ground Zeroes tells Kaz died in 2005, that's no spoiler at all.

No, I mean I knew he died in 2005 I am a big fan of the series but honestly, due to all the other crazy things in this game like Venom Snake, I tohught it might've been possible. So happy it didn't happen.

[Sekkuar666]

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Can you tell me the part that makes no sense instead of arguing like a 5 year old? Thanks.

No I can't, sorry.
Not with people who uses logic such as

Publicado originalmente por Red:

Liquid impersonates Miller in MGS, of course Liquid was the one behind his assassination.

[Red]

Publicado originalmente por Sekkuar:

Publicado originalmente por Red:

Can you tell me the part that makes no sense instead of arguing like a 5 year old? Thanks.

No I can't, sorry.
Not with people who uses logic such as

Publicado originalmente por Red:

Liquid impersonates Miller in MGS, of course Liquid was the one behind his assassination.

Let me put it this way.

OPTION 1: Liquid was the one who decides to kill Miller.
* He has a great idea to trick Solid. He decides to impersonate Miller. He sends someone to kill him, Miller dies and he takes his role.

OPTION 2: Ocelot decides to kill Miller.
* Because REASONS that are no longer relevant to TPP's plot and because he wants Liquid to impersonate Miller for the same reason as option 1. Liquid is the leader, Liquid has to give the OK for that to happen and send the assassin and Liquid must agree to play the role of Miller for a while. Hence LIQUID is the one who has the final word on everything.

Basically, no matter who decided to kill off Miller, the final word resides on Liquid and Liquid only. Even if Millers death SOMEHOW helps towards Ocelot's super convoluted plans (They don't, miller is irrelevant by then) Liquid is still the guy who decides what to do with him.

It's all a pedantic conversation really.

[Okami]

I back up the idea of Ocelot behind the idea of terminate Kaz, or even did it himself... why not. we just don't have any evidence BOTH SIDE to say if it's true or not. I just think "it make sense"

[Sekkuar666]

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Liquid is the leader

Liquid IS and will always be a puppet.

He's just a puppet doing The Patriot's or Solidus' or Ocelot's schemes, even though he believes he is in command, he is not.

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I back up the idea of Ocelot behind the idea of terminate Kaz, or even did it himself... why not. we just don't have any evidence BOTH SIDE to say if it's true or not. I just think "it make sense"

Precisely.

[Red]

And considering that both Big Bosses are dead by then (Or "dead" in the case of John), Ocelot's reason to kill Miller is...?

[Sekkuar666]

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And considering that both Big Bosses are dead by then (Or "dead" in the case of John), Ocelot's reason to kill Miller is...?

Again, back to the conversation between Kaz and Ocelot I posted above

Ocelot: "[...]His sons [Liquid and Solid] are fated to face each other too.
If the day ever comes that you go back to Cipher, I'll aid the other son.
And then you and I will be enemies too.
One of us will have to kill the other."

Kaz: "Fine by me."

Now, what this nice little chat between friends tells us?
Well, we know Miller aided Solid, helping him ultimately "kill" Big Boss in Zanzibar.
And we know Ocelot is sided with Liquid, helping him in Shadow Mosses.

Do the math.

[Kalsu]

Kaz is the true mastermind of the patriots. Liquid killed his phantom!

[Okami]

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And considering that both Big Bosses are dead by then (Or "dead" in the case of John), Ocelot's reason to kill Miller is...?

Again, back to the conversation between Kaz and Ocelot I posted above

Ocelot: "[...]His sons [Liquid and Solid] are fated to face each other too.
If the day ever comes that you go back to Cipher, I'll aid the other son.
And then you and I will be enemies too.
One of us will have to kill the other."

Kaz: "Fine by me."

Do the math.

Just to make it even more cristal clear...

It still not a solid evidence, as we mention me and Sekkuar, It makes pretty good sens.