I still don't get the beginning of the game and other things [Major Spoilers]

[ctrap33]

Everything said after this is a spoiler:



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So, I understand that Venom Snake, AKA Ahab, (the playable character) isn't the real Big Boss. But there are some questions I have that don't make sense (at least to me). I have just about completed all missions, btw.

1. How does Ahab have similar combat skills as Big Boss? I mean, we don't really know much about him. I would assume that if he was a medic before the coma, he really didn't have elite combat skills. Is this explained in any way?

2. Was the real Big Boss in a coma for 9 years? It would be a pretty big coincidence if both Ahab and Big Boss were out of commission for the exact amount of time. However, in mission 46, we see Miller and Big Boss on the emergency room table shortly after the "Paz" bomb goes off. From the perspective of Ahab, we see Big Boss get hit with a defibrillator while a doctor explains that he is stable, but in a coma. Then we hear Miller ask about Ahab (the player character). If all of this happened from the perspective of Ahab, then that means Ahab was not in a coma. So what's the deal, was Ahab actually in a coma for 9 years? Was he fooled into believing this? Was his memory wiped? Were both Big Boss and Ahab in a coma? Depending on these answers, there are many other questions that arise.

3. If Ahab was in a coma for 9 years, what the hell was Big Boss doing during that time? Was Big Boss in a coma for 9 years also? Did he just stay in the hospital for 9 years in the bed next to Ahab? Hell, what was everyone (Miller and Ocelot included) doing? During the Phantom Pain, you rebuild Motherbase in what is less than a year (correct me if I'm wrong). So, it seems there is just a big blank space of nothing happening in the 9 years of coma. Big Boss, Miller, and Ocelot could have rebuilt Motherbase without Ahab, why did they wait 9 years?

4. If Ahab wasn't in a coma for 9 years, how was he led to believe that he was? How was he tricked into being Big Boss?

5. Why was Ahab tricked into being Big Boss? I understand that Big Boss was a target after the Paz explosion. But it doesn't make sense to alter Ahab's face to look like Big Boss. Why wouldn't the real Big Boss alter his face to look like someone else? It appears to me that Ahab was changed to look like Big Boss to protect the real Big Boss. But then why would the real Big Boss stay in the hospital the whole time if he knew he was in danger? Or was he somewhere else for 9 years and only returned once Ahab woke up from his coma?

6. Where is Big Boss during the events of Phantom Pain and what is he doing? I vaguely remember in one other game (I think it was Guns of the Patriots) that someone (Ocelot?) mentions how fast Big Boss's fame grew during the 80s. It was as if he was suggesting that he was in two places at once. This makes more sense now playing Phantom Pain knowing that there sort of were two Big Boss's. Still, did I miss something with the actions of Big Boss? He disappears after helping Ahab out of the hospital. So where does he go?

7. Does only Ahab see himself as Big Boss? In other words, did he actually get plastic surgery to look like Big Boss, or does he just see himself this way? The game confused me at the beginning when it had you alter your appearance. Then, the doctor showed you yourself in a mirror, and you saw your avatar, then you saw what appeared to be Big Boss. So, I am confused as to how other players in the game see Ahab. Also, when you look at your reflection in the window of the ACC, you see your avatar which makes me even more confused.


Sorry for the giant wall of questions, but does any of this make sense? I bet I a missing a lot, but that's what happens with such a complicated story where everything you see happen actually happens differently.

Thanks in advance.

[Misa]

i interpret the entire intro as a dream

[Outlaw1109]

Цитата допису chewbaccauncircumsised:

Цитата допису PFC.Mike:

BB was in a coma for 9 years.

They had to "wake" ahab up, which is why he's all messed up when things happen.

Also, to the guy asking questions above my post, the thing about Mantis is explained earlier in the game. His plane was "coincidentally" flying over the hospital when Ahab woke up and it was Ahab that awakened Mantis's powers, but then Mantis formed a connection (for some reason) with Vulgan's corpse.

Ala, they did not have to search for BB, they knew where he was (and I could be wrong on this last part) but they were also all in the same vicinity of each other.

It's called plot convenience.

but mantis was apart of the psi reseach for the russians (isnt that what ocelot says in the tapes?)
skullface worked with the russians, as did ocelot.
if mantis was on the plane, why cyprus?
he is clearly operating under xof in no less than 2 weeks since ahab woke up.
skullface most likely had vogin and mantis under employ for some time already,
and put them on the plane to follow up on a lead,
knowing volgin wouldve a sensed big boss through mantis.

This part is implicitly explained through tapes about Mantis. Volgin wasn't awakened until the night he attacks in the hospital.

And Mantis was on a plane to...America, IIRC...

[TommyEV]

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

Цитата допису TommyEV:

I said it before and I say it again, the whale is a hallucination. It is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ explained to you in the first hour of the game. Remember that you have hundreds of pieces of metal/bones inside your body and a horn in your skull.

then you have to accept that the heli copter is also a hallucination also...

Ocelot sht an rpg to it or it was taken down by the whale ship, wow it took me 3 seconds to come up with 2 possible answers

[TommyEV]

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

i interpret the entire intro as a dream

The call of duty audience, ladies and gentlemen.
(And I like COD myself,m but you all know what I mean)

[Misa]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

then you have to accept that the heli copter is also a hallucination also...

Ocelot sht an rpg to it or it was taken down by the whale ship, wow it took me 3 seconds to come up with 2 possible answers

there is no rpg.....

[sameoldstranger]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

I said it before and I say it again, the whale is a hallucination. It is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ explained to you in the first hour of the game. Remember that you have hundreds of pieces of metal/bones inside your body and a horn in your skull.

i actually thought the game would be about hallucinations, instead we got hypnosis, body doubles and parasites.

[Misa]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

i interpret the entire intro as a dream

The call of duty audience, ladies and gentlemen.
(And I like COD myself,m but you all know what I mean)

? no i dont and no i dont like COD

[TommyEV]

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

Цитата допису TommyEV:

Ocelot sht an rpg to it or it was taken down by the whale ship, wow it took me 3 seconds to come up with 2 possible answers

there is no rpg.....

Open paint, draw a helicopter and an rpg, draw a whale over the rpg, OMG WHERE IS THE RPG IM CONFUSED GUYS.
As I said, it could have been anything. The game has fantastic elements but no flying whales on fire. it is a nod to Moby ♥♥♥♥. You should look it up on the internet.

EDIT: Moby D I C K hahaha

[sameoldstranger]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

then you have to accept that the heli copter is also a hallucination also...

Ocelot sht an rpg to it or it was taken down by the whale ship, wow it took me 3 seconds to come up with 2 possible answers

ocelot told d horse "do it" and shot a missle out of his ass.

*SPOILER* D-Horse knew you werent big boss.
the deception

[Misa]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

Цитата допису Sniper Wolf:

there is no rpg.....

Open paint, draw a helicopter and an rpg, draw a whale over the rpg, OMG WHERE IS THE RPG IM CONFUSED GUYS.
As I said, it could have been anything. The game has fantastic elements but no flying whales on fire. it is a nod to Moby ♥♥♥♥. You should look it up on the internet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYZEFAQaXYs

me no see rpg.. looks like it's more psycho mantis act than ocelot... you make no sense

[TommyEV]

You forgot the part where PM can summon giant whales on fire but instead the man on fire just walks slowly towards you. So effective.

[Misa]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

You forgot the part where PM can summon giant whales on fire but instead the man on fire just walks slowly towards you. So effective.

that's why it's all a dream

[Outlaw1109]

Heavy handed with the Moby D I C K references, that's all that whale was.

...and I think Mantis had something to do with it. (His powers being all flamey because of Volgin)

[TommyEV]

Also, when PM supposedly takes down the helicopter with the whale, he has a horn so he is connected to you, not Volgin. Sooooo no fire powers.

[TommyEV]

Цитата допису TommyEV:

Also, when PM supposedly takes down the helicopter with the whale, he has a horn so he is connected to you, not Volgin. Sooooo no fire powers.

BUT WHAT DOYOU MEAN HE AHS A HORN YOU ARE HALLUCINATING OMG