*Spoiler* Truth about Ishmael..

[Fm]

lets face it guys... the evidence is clear from screenshots.

DO you honestly believe he is BB??!?

http://imgur.com/7zOgwtM

What Am I Missing....... Kojima is the master of fine details, so why does this seem like a quick fix to release the game earlieR...

[the ouch mouse]

Yeah, he's BB.
Soooo.... not like that's a huge secret.

[Stignodding]

Originally posted by ChAoTic_MaYhEm:

Originally posted by Stignodding:

Well he would have to make sure Quiet was dead if this were the case, him having a lighter on him while she is drowning him after he himself was actually the one who threw the flammible liqued on her. My speculation is that we don't actually see BB untill V is saved by him from the Ambulance, that would explain his lack of facial hair and a eye that magically appears even though he could just have an entire face mask on that blinks mechanically. Just a few scenes including him never holding V up or moving him in ways that V couldn't move himslef. Also Big Boss being gunned down after we see a zoom up of his butt supports this, I know BB's ass as it's my wallpaper and that was deffinatly his. Plus when he dives off the ledge, a soilder looks down there almost immediatly and sees nothing. A knife wound and a fall like that would be hard to recovery that quickly even for Big boss. V might have just thrown that magazine clip himself. As it would also not really make scense for BB to dive in the same direction he throws his decoy.

Its part of the illusion that Hideo Kojima played with. He wants us to think Ishamel is an illusion but by Mission 46. That illusion was a real man. The editing was done really poorly, could've given more context to Ishamel. Also in the hallway with all of those people. Ishamel actually goes into the opened room, the camera was panning towards the right, plus the way Ishamel moved about, suggests that he knew "it wasn't THAT easy". The "other guy" who looks like Ishamel, is just, again an illusion. That wasn't the real BB that was gunned down. The guy that saved you? That was BB.

Again it's all apart of the mindgames that Hideo Kojima played with. Our mind and eyes sees one thing, but by the end game, our own minds and eyes were just fooled

It's funny because I never wondered who the guy in the hospital was untill mission 46, but for a brain more in tune this would make sense as the player is to bealive he him self is big boss. And that must have been an illusion. That dose make the most sense as mission 46 shows he is infact real at some points at least.

[Indiana_Minotaur]

Originally posted by Stignodding:

Now that this thread is active I do really want to know where the poor clouser comes from? I keep hearing it reapeted but I never experienced it in the story myself and am very curious as to what the talk is about.

Well as someone also puts it....it just....ends. Like serious. It just ends. No real "New Game+" but it just suddenly and dramatically...ends.

Plus you can see that in both Chapter 1 & 2. you can compare both chapters to a rollar coaster ride. The built up before the drop? That was all of chapter 1. As soon as that drop hits, that's all of chapter 2.

Sure chapter 2 had some great moments. But sadly it heavily relied on chapter 1. I've said in some form or another that. It would've made sense if Skull Face had been in Chapter 2 as well, shuffle around the story a little. Do some fine tuning. And then end the game with Skull Face and the Metal Gear boss battle. Everything else? the resident-evil style infection. The ceremony, Eli escape, etc. All of that could've come before. With some fine tuning and editiing, maybe adding a few extra missions could've helped.

THEN the game itself would've been ended properly. With the "Truth" mission unlock as an 100% condition. I've also said it myself, "If Skull Face is KIA. Who in the heck is the main villain for chapter 2? Eli? Oh wait his story can't be ended in MGS V because well...obvious and direct reasons".

[Coleco_84]

"you are talking to yourself right now", yeah, until the ending, Kojima played Ishmael as he was some kind of Tyler Durden.

[Stignodding]

Originally posted by Snackbar:

Yeah, he's BB.
Soooo.... not like that's a huge secret.

This we know but we or I at least are wondering why he has no facial hair and has an eye. When designing a charecter model these are things that don't go un-noticed to the Kojima team.

[Rhyno]

Don't think we'll ever know. Konami is trying it's damnedest to get away from AAA titles.

http://www.videogamer.com/ps4/metal_gear_solid_5_the_phantom_pain/news/konami_to_exit_aaa_console_games_development_bar_pes_report.html

[Indiana_Minotaur]

Originally posted by Stignodding:

Originally posted by Snackbar:

Yeah, he's BB.
Soooo.... not like that's a huge secret.

This we know but we or I at least are wondering why he has no facial hair and has an eye. When designing a charecter model these are things that don't go un-noticed to the Kojima team.

Part of the illusion. A well-played illusion.

[Coleco_84]

Originally posted by ChAoTic_MaYhEm:

Originally posted by Stignodding:

This we know but we or I at least are wondering why he has no facial hair and has an eye. When designing a charecter model these are things that don't go un-noticed to the Kojima team.

Part of the illusion. A well-played illusion.

Like a fiddle,you might say

[Stignodding]

Originally posted by ChAoTic_MaYhEm:

Originally posted by Stignodding:

Now that this thread is active I do really want to know where the poor clouser comes from? I keep hearing it reapeted but I never experienced it in the story myself and am very curious as to what the talk is about.

Well as someone also puts it....it just....ends. Like serious. It just ends. No real "New Game+" but it just suddenly and dramatically...ends.

Plus you can see that in both Chapter 1 & 2. you can compare both chapters to a rollar coaster ride. The built up before the drop? That was all of chapter 1. As soon as that drop hits, that's all of chapter 2.

Sure chapter 2 had some great moments. But sadly it heavily relied on chapter 1. I've said in some form or another that. It would've made sense if Skull Face had been in Chapter 2 as well, shuffle around the story a little. Do some fine tuning. And then end the game with Skull Face and the Metal Gear boss battle. Everything else? the resident-evil style infection. The ceremony, Eli escape, etc. All of that could've come before. With some fine tuning and editiing, maybe adding a few extra missions could've helped.

THEN the game itself would've been ended properly. With the "Truth" mission unlock as an 100% condition. I've also said it myself, "If Skull Face is KIA. Who in the heck is the main villain for chapter 2? Eli? Oh wait his story can't be ended in MGS V because well...obvious and direct reasons".

I agree 100%, which is why I think Chapter 2 is very inappropriatly named. I think "Chapter 1" is the full MGS 5 story as the villian is killed, and we get our salute into the sunset ending if Chapter 1 is what it is supposed to be reffered as. Chapter 2 is only what happens to the charecters, how Eli became Liqued, mantis, Psycho Mantis, and why we never get to see Quiet agian. How we go from liking the charismatic seemingly innocent Emeric and bealiving that he really had nothing to do with the destruction of mother base in 1974 but when he causes the parasite mutation and blames V for saving the rest of his men but in actuality fixing Emerics mistake, thus the end of Emeric. And of course the ending of Big Boss. Chapter 2 should be the "Postlog" as it should not be compared to the previous chapter in any way. Maybe this was an error in the localization team as naming Chapter 2 something different would have done wonders for the game. I do also wish that Skull Face lived on but that would defeat the purpose of the Main story starting and ending in the main story. It seems Chapter 2 only really existes because of the Shadow Moses incident but not for MGS 5 as it has much more to do with the former.

[the ouch mouse]

Originally posted by Coleco_84:

Originally posted by ChAoTic_MaYhEm:

Part of the illusion. A well-played illusion.

Like a fiddle,you might say

A noice fiddle if I do say so myself.

[Fired Chicken]

Ocelot literally calls him "Boss" in the final mission, case closed.