What is the point in using other soldiers?

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Why would I choose anyone other than Snake?

Snake moves faster than everyone else; reloads faster, aims faster, takes less damage, gets longer reflex time, climbs faster, has a higher chance of fultoning, gets resources faster, can use the bionic arm, and has the sonar ability.

Even a soldier with S++ in everything can't compete with Snake.

In Peace Walker, Snake was very good at everything, but certain soldiers would be more specialized for certain roles. Maybe they had more HP, or moved faster, or had more shooting accuracy. Get lucky enough, and you would even find soldiers with better stats than Snake in everything.

But here, Snake is objectively the best for EVERYTHING. It's a waste of a feature being able to play as your soldiers when they are worse than Snake in every way.

It was great fun in Peace Walker catching Pokemon, checking out their stats, and using them in the field. Here, using anyone other than Snake is just silly.

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Originally posted by I_ArCh0n_I:

Snake is only A++ so having a solider with S or higher will perform better (e.g. having an S in combat skill will mean they have more health than snake). They can also have perks, I play a lady who has double the amount of reflex time as snake.

The thing is... Snake already has the bandana, and medical traits. So even with an S++ in combat, you still won't get the same durability as Snake just because of that overpowered arm.

You won't get double the reflex time of Snake. Flaming Buffalo has the "Gunman" skill, and her reflex time is no longer than Snake's.

You can get one or two particular traits on-par with Snake, but unless you desperately need to mark enemies half a second faster (lol), or attach a fulton slightly faster, Snake is objectively the best character for stealthing, combat, resource gathering, and PvP.

[Cyvanhoe]

Big Boss doesn't get the fancy headwear your soldiers get, though =p

[Xarathox]

Originally posted by Cyvanhoe:

Big Boss doesn't get the fancy headwear your soldiers get, though =p

But the Bandana does increase over all dmg resistance better than the helmet combat unit soldiers can wear.

[Greb]

I'd like to point out some guy in another thread discovered something interesting, so this information belongs to him instead of me, I guess. Credits go to PFC.Mike

Each skill actually does have an effect on your character in combat, surprisingly. Snake is already A++ so he's fairly decent, but if you manage to get an S rank in anything and combat unit them, they'll technically be better than Snake for certain things.

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Originally posted by Greb:

if you manage to get an S rank in anything and combat unit them, they'll technically be better than Snake for certain things.

Yeah, like attaching fultons faster and reduced marking time lol.

Pretty pointless. Considering all of the other perks you get for using Snake, even if you want to mark and fulton faster, you'll probably still be better off with Snake just because he moves so quick; you can ultimately fulton and mark more stuff in the same time. I mean, have you seen Snake with max run speed? He's almost as fast as a jeep.

[Xarathox]

Originally posted by ｓｈｉｍｉｏｎ:

Originally posted by Greb:

if you manage to get an S rank in anything and combat unit them, they'll technically be better than Snake for certain things.

Yeah, like attaching fultons faster and reduced marking time lol.

Pretty pointless. Considering all of the other perks you get for using Snake, even if you want to mark and fulton faster, you'll probably still be better off with Snake just because he moves so quick; you can ultimately fulton and mark more stuff in the same time. I mean, have you seen Snake with max run speed? He's almost as fast as a jeep.

Yep. Replaying the Backup, Back Down mission with Snake means I can do the whole thing on foot with DD at my side, spotting all the prisoners AND fultoning all the APCs in the area in the alotted time. Can't do that with a combat unit member even with the speed buff.

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by ｓｈｉｍｉｏｎ:

Originally posted by Greb:

if you manage to get an S rank in anything and combat unit them, they'll technically be better than Snake for certain things.

Yeah, like attaching fultons faster and reduced marking time lol.

Pretty pointless. Considering all of the other perks you get for using Snake, even if you want to mark and fulton faster, you'll probably still be better off with Snake just because he moves so quick; you can ultimately fulton and mark more stuff in the same time. I mean, have you seen Snake with max run speed? He's almost as fast as a jeep.

Yeah I noticed that as well when I upgraded snakes speed and to tell you the truth, I kind of hated it with that speed - it was almost too fast for my liking.

Like I have said above in either this post or another one, a great positive in using your various recruits instead of snake is that whatever you do will not increase your demon meters so snake's horn will still be the same and you won't have to worry about being all bloody because of the demon meter.

[Xarathox]

Originally posted by Panicsferd:

Originally posted by ｓｈｉｍｉｏｎ:

Yeah, like attaching fultons faster and reduced marking time lol.

Pretty pointless. Considering all of the other perks you get for using Snake, even if you want to mark and fulton faster, you'll probably still be better off with Snake just because he moves so quick; you can ultimately fulton and mark more stuff in the same time. I mean, have you seen Snake with max run speed? He's almost as fast as a jeep.

Yeah I noticed that as well when I upgraded snakes speed and to tell you the truth, I kind of hated it with that speed - it was almost too fast for my liking.

Like I have said above in either this post or another one, a great positive in using your various recruits instead of snake is that whatever you do will not increase your demon meters so snake's horn will still be the same and you won't have to worry about being all bloody because of the demon meter.

What about developing a nuke playing as another character?

[Panicsferd]

Originally posted by Xarathox:

Originally posted by Panicsferd:

Yeah I noticed that as well when I upgraded snakes speed and to tell you the truth, I kind of hated it with that speed - it was almost too fast for my liking.

Like I have said above in either this post or another one, a great positive in using your various recruits instead of snake is that whatever you do will not increase your demon meters so snake's horn will still be the same and you won't have to worry about being all bloody because of the demon meter.

What about developing a nuke playing as another character?

I'm not sure on that, never bult a nuke yet myself?

[Aurani]

Originally posted by ｓｈｉｍｉｏｎ:

Originally posted by Greb:

if you manage to get an S rank in anything and combat unit them, they'll technically be better than Snake for certain things.

Yeah, like attaching fultons faster and reduced marking time lol.

Pretty pointless. Considering all of the other perks you get for using Snake, even if you want to mark and fulton faster, you'll probably still be better off with Snake just because he moves so quick; you can ultimately fulton and mark more stuff in the same time. I mean, have you seen Snake with max run speed? He's almost as fast as a jeep.

Have you never used a soldier with the Athlete skill? They can easily outrun jeeps and even tanks. With the Mobility 3 upgrade Snake can barely catch up to a jeep.

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Originally posted by Aurani:

Have you never used a soldier with the Athlete skill? They can easily outrun jeeps and even tanks. With the Mobility 3 upgrade Snake can barely catch up to a jeep.

Just tried "Jackal" with the Athlete skill. Seems no different to Snake.

[Sishiya]

Also, soldiers with the Botanist skill pick 25 plants at a time vs. Snake's 20 with max Med upgrade.

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Originally posted by Sishiya:

Also, soldiers with the Botanist skill pick 25 plants at a time vs. Snake's 20 with max Med upgrade.

That's useless. If you're picking plants, then you're also doing something else. Fultoning guys, or resources, or something. Those 5 extra plants are meaningless compared to the perks you get with Snake.

[Sishiya]

Originally posted by ｓｈｉｍｉｏｎ:

Originally posted by Sishiya:

Also, soldiers with the Botanist skill pick 25 plants at a time vs. Snake's 20 with max Med upgrade.

That's useless. If you're picking plants, then you're also doing something else. Fultoning guys, or resources, or something. Those 5 extra plants are meaningless compared to the perks you get with Snake.

Well, my goodness; you're just bound and determined to play as Snake no matter what, aren't you? Go for it.

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Originally posted by Sishiya:

Well, my goodness; you're just bound and determined to play as Snake no matter what, aren't you? Go for it.

I wanna play as someone else. But I can't because they are so bad. Lethargic Slug with his S++ in everything just can't compete with Snake.

I'm sure I am missing something, though. There has gotta be a way to make the soldiers not suck.