The FOB aspects have killed this game to me!

[JDPUK]

I totally enjoyed the hell of this game early on until it came to the FOB aspects. It has completely destroyed any momentum I had in this game. This has to be the biggest oversight I've witnessed in gaming, should have been optional, opt in or out.

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

u keep saying MMO. have you played FOB? u fight against the AI.

it is basically exactly like single player.

unless the other player is online and decides to defend, it is identical to single player.

at no point does a screen turn up before or after an FOB mission prompting u to buy anything.

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

u only ever play vs. one other person at a time. ever. not exactly massively multiplayer.

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

As soon as my Single Player game is connected online, then other people's opinions invade my space.

if it is good enough for you to complain about it online but u cant play it online. why is that?

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

maybe u are invading our space. we are actually playing the online portion. this is an online forum.

[ThePresident777]

Tarman님이 먼저 게시:

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

You keep talking about needing content to beat the game as if that's the only thing that matters. Content is necessary for fun. So you can try different things different ways and at different speeds. Let me repeat that, at different speeds. That is what more powerful content often does. It lets you decide to go slow or fast, how ever you wish. Or it allows you to try other tactics or strategies, or just play however the hell you want. Just because I do not need the WU S. Pistol CB, does not mean that I will not enjoy it. And my opinion of a game depends entirely on my enjoyment of it, not necessity. And that is the difference between Single Player and Multi-player. Other people do not matter in Single Player. It's single Player's saving grace, that you can have a big box of toys and no one can stop you becaue they are not affected. It's none of their business.

As soon as my Single Player game is connected online, then other people's opinions invade my space.

The irony of all this is that while you guys keep insisting that the higher level content is unnecessary to beat the game, no one can explain the necessity of an online connection in a Single Player (other than patches of course. I'm talking about game play not utility).

But, the online connection is what kills the Single Player by allowing other people to come into my game. Even if you never do FOB missions, the FOB has been made to use it (even though it would work fine without it), and the FOB is necessary to kill that ridiculous grind in Single Player. And killing the grind is necessary to try all the toys before the story ends. Otherwise, it's the game is just a solo MMO puke.

1. You're given all the items you need to employ all the tactics and complete all the missions at different speeds both fast and slow when you get around half way through the game,. Your experience isn't made more fun because you can beat Metal Archaea 30 seconds faster with that grade 6 - 7.

Fast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bizRyQQ7AB0

Slow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxV0R5d4WGU

2. Don't go online then, you said you hate it. Why do you keep connecting??

3. Peace Walker had a ridiculous grind and it had no Multiplayer or Microtransactions. Hell Final Fantasy 7 had a ridiculous grind if you wanted both sets of master materia. Grind of some kind is standard in RPG's and Open World games.

4. FOB's are optional you didn't have to accept ToS for the online compotant and build an FOB. For somebody who hated this feature so much did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to get around it. You could of.....

.Declined the ToS
. ALT+F4 when forced to build an FOB, Restarted and instead of opening your iDroid on the ACC gone to the pause menu and picked disconnect.
.Played the game in Offline Mode in Steam
. Blocked it via a fire wall.

5. I got all the Grade 5 weapons, items, buddy and helicopter equipment before I finished the main missions with 80 side ops to spare and replays for S Ranks to do. All with just Mother Base and no FOB.

1) It's nice that you can finish a stealth game doing easy mode helicoptor joy riding in 5 minutes. But it's not fine that you have to. Necessity is not fun.

2) It's too late. The game took me there, and, then transfered my resources from MB to FOB. And, I actually try things to see if I like them or not.

3) Yet, I've played RPGs with no grind. You just play the story and some side missions and it all comes together without any MMO trash.

Don't play the lowered expectations game with me. I don't accept it. I do not care if Peacewalker set the foundation of something worse. It doesn't change what I want.

4) So, Konami kept me in the dark about how to get away from FOBs. You think that makes things alright? Alt+F4 to escape a game feature, really? That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. You're not making a case for acceptance here.

5) One of my favorite weapons in the game is the AM MRS 73 NL and it's level 7. I was far far from getting this until I got the FOB. The I started to make progress towards it.

But, nothing you have said explains why an online connection, or any of the other MMO crap, is necessary in MGSV:TPP at all. What is the necessity of wallng off so much content behind grind then requiring an online connection to reduce it, and introduce players to yet another grind?

[ThePresident777]

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

As soon as my Single Player game is connected online, then other people's opinions invade my space.

if it is good enough for you to complain about it online but u cant play it online. why is that?

Because I want better, not worse. You make a good point, why play MSGV:TPP online when I can forum, for free?

[ThePresident777]

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

u keep saying MMO. have you played FOB? u fight against the AI.

it is basically exactly like single player.

unless the other player is online and decides to defend, it is identical to single player.

at no point does a screen turn up before or after an FOB mission prompting u to buy anything.

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

u only ever play vs. one other person at a time. ever. not exactly massively multiplayer.

Exactly, so why the online connection to play Single Player? The AI works just fine offline on my PC.

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

so playing the game isnt really important, just letting us know you arent playing the game

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

u keep saying MMO. have you played FOB? u fight against the AI.

it is basically exactly like single player.

unless the other player is online and decides to defend, it is identical to single player.

at no point does a screen turn up before or after an FOB mission prompting u to buy anything.

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

u only ever play vs. one other person at a time. ever. not exactly massively multiplayer.

Exactly, so why the online connection to play Single Player? The AI works just fine offline on my PC.

because this is 2015 and if the game came out w no multiplayer people would lose their ♥♥♥♥ even more than you are

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

it is insane to expect a mainstream game in 2015 to have ZERO online connection. especially the last game of a series that has had an online component since MGO in Subsistence in 2006

[Hazy_Maze_Cave]

Metal Gear games have had online for 10 years now. u are late to the outrage party

[Captain Blue]

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

1) It's nice that you can finish a stealth game doing easy mode helicoptor joy riding in 5 minutes. But it's not fine that you have to. Necessity is not fun.

2) It's too late. The game took me there, and, then transfered my resources from MB to FOB. And, I actually try things to see if I like them or not.

3) Yet, I've played RPGs with no grind. You just play the story and some side missions and it all comes together without any MMO trash.

Don't play the lowered expectations game with me. I don't accept it. I do not care if Peacewalker set the foundation of something worse. It doesn't change what I want.

4) So, Konami kept me in the dark about how to get away from FOBs. You think that makes things alright? Alt+F4 to escape a game feature, really? That's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up. You're not making a case for acceptance here.

5) One of my favorite weapons in the game is the AM MRS 73 NL and it's level 7. I was far far from getting this until I got the FOB. The I started to make progress towards it.

But, nothing you have said explains why an online connection, or any of the other MMO crap, is necessary in MGSV:TPP at all. What is the necessity of wallng off so much content behind grind then requiring an online connection to reduce it, and introduce players to yet another grind?

1. The point was too show you examples that change the way you play, the tactics and the speed that don't even need weapon upgrades at all.

3. Every RPG has a grind. Everysingle one them.

4. Yeah it's bad they did that but you also made no effort to get around it and it didn't take much effort.

5. The Grade 7 AM MRS 73 NL just does more damage than the Grade 5 AM MRS 73 NL the deployment costs are also super expensive. It offers no tactical advantage over it's grade 5 counter part as head shots are 1 shot no matter the damage. The extra damage's primary function is to be equiped on your security team where the extra damage will put you to sleep faster. Because Grade 7 and Above are primarily for FOB's.

6. The online connection is necessary for the FOB invasion gameplay to work. Resources are funneled to online so there is actual risk and a point to that mode. It would be a pointless mode otherwise. All games of these types gate weapons and items behind progression of somekind. Every RPG you have to grind levels to get new skills and spells. This is also why dev costs are so high and why caps exist. To force people to steal resources.

While I agree the wait times are too long and are shamelessly exploited to milk money. The wait times are in fact necessary. You see if everbody could unlock this gear straight away it takes away any opportunity to gain an advantage in FOB's, decrease the variety in FOB's and push people to the endgame of this patch straight away. People will have different priorities in what to develop first. People who are smart will build the Battle Dress to counter the 1 shot stun shotgun META and buff their other defenses. While the reckless build new weapons first, they leave themselves to be exploited by the old META. These people are now stuck with the new weapons that aren't very useful against people who did the same. Most people will go for new guns first and not bother with boring FOB defense related gear. Giving people who opted for defense an advantage until everyone reaches the endgame where a new META will form.

[ThePresident777]

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

Exactly, so why the online connection to play Single Player? The AI works just fine offline on my PC.

because this is 2015 and if the game came out w no multiplayer people would lose their ♥♥♥♥ even more than you are

What a fail. There are much better multi-player and single player than adding online connection to Single Player. It's not necessary at all.

[ThePresident777]

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

it is insane to expect a mainstream game in 2015 to have ZERO online connection. especially the last game of a series that has had an online component since MGO in Subsistence in 2006

Again could have bene done better, and ... The Witcher 3...............

[strikertlj]

ThePresident777님이 먼저 게시:

Adam_Vania님이 먼저 게시:

because this is 2015 and if the game came out w no multiplayer people would lose their ♥♥♥♥ even more than you are

What a fail. There are much better multi-player and single player than adding online connection to Single Player. It's not necessary at all.

To Konami it is neccessary.. thats the way the game is. take it or leave it. It needs an online component cause thats is what they decided. Think your argueing to the wrong people.