METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

cato Dec 10, 2015 @ 10:12am
(Spoilers) Venom Snake, Big Boss and so on...
I only played this MGS game so i'm not into the storyline at all. I tried to read it up on some sites but it's really confusing. As far as i understand, the Main Character in TPP is not the so called Big Boss, but some kind of copy, and the real Big Boss is not in the game at all.
1. Can someone explain to me who exactly this guy is and how he got created? I'm assuming he's some kind of close because he looks identical to the real Big Boss.
2. Also, if the real Big Boss is not represented in this game at all, what is he doing through all this time?
3. And why are Miller + Ocelote treating Venom Snake like some kind of god, when he's not the real Big Boss?

Sidequestion: I just found out the woman who attacked Venom Snake in the Prologue was Quiet before her parasite-treatmen, are the people on motherbase aware of this?
Last edited by cato; Dec 10, 2015 @ 10:13am
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Hazy_Maze_Cave Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:05am 
finish the game and listen to the Truth tapes it will explain pretty much everything
Panfilo Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:09am 
He's the medic from the previous game. He was trying to get the bomb out of Paz when the helicopter crashed. They brainwashed him to be snakes double.

Snake is off building outer heaven or something, using Venom to distract cipher. Everybody is focused on Venom being this legendary soldier meanwhile Snake is free to do his own thing.

Miller and Ocelot are in on the scam. They're playing along to keep Venom from knowing too soon. There are a couple hints in the game that Venom isn't the real Snake:
1.) Eli (supposed to be one of snakes clones) doesn't match snakes DNA
2.) Man on Fire (Volgin) seems to recognize Snake isn't the same Snake he fought in 1965
Bite Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:12am 
Finish Mission 46 and then listen to the Truth Records.

However, since you're asking some direct questions....

1. Plastic surgery and hypnotherapy. You're the medic who was with Big Boss at the end of Ground Zeroes, the medic shielded Big Boss from the blast and was basically clinically dead.

2. Building the real Outer Heaven.

3. Miller didn't know Venom wasn't the real one until Ocelot tells him at an unkown date after the events of TPP, and Ocelot hypnotized himself to believe Venom was the real Big Boss.

Sidequestion: No, they are not aware. They eventually find out however.
Panfilo Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:15am 
The intro pulls a bait and switch on you- doc says they need to disguise your appearance so baddies don't know you're Snake. It's actually the other way around- You're some dude that gets plastic surgery to look like Snake and you get hypnotized.

We find out that the Big Boss in the first Metal Gear game is actually Venom snake. He gets killed eventually when Solid Snake infiltrates Outer Heaven and destroys Metal Gear.

The ending is also kind of ambiguous as to how Venom feels about all this- on one hand, he didn't get any say into being a body double and sucked into all the drama. On the other, he gets to be a merc commander, and the vessel for snakes revenge on cipher when their previous base got blown up.

Ocelot and Miller are kind of your angel/devil on your shoulder. Ocelot is pretty chill about everything; he doesn't let his personal feelings get in the way of doing his job. Miller on the other hand is extremely emotional; he's driven by a feeling of revenge against Skullface and he's willing to turn on anybody that didn't follow his vision.
Panfilo Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:17am 
And yeah, they know that the original assassin was quiet. That's one of the reasons Miller wanted her dead.
Bite Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:21am 
Originally posted by jerjare:
And yeah, they know that the original assassin was quiet. That's one of the reasons Miller wanted her dead.

No, Miller wants her dead because he assumes she's one of the Skulls, but they don't know about her involvement in the Hospital Raid until much later in on the story.
cato Dec 10, 2015 @ 11:46am 
Thanks for all the response :) Sounds like a lot of it is building up around mission 46, so i'll go do that now, and then listen to those "truth records". Once again, thanks!
cato Dec 10, 2015 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by jerjare:
The intro pulls a bait and switch on you- doc says they need to disguise your appearance so baddies don't know you're Snake. It's actually the other way around- You're some dude that gets plastic surgery to look like Snake and you get hypnotized.

We find out that the Big Boss in the first Metal Gear game is actually Venom snake. He gets killed eventually when Solid Snake infiltrates Outer Heaven and destroys Metal Gear.

The ending is also kind of ambiguous as to how Venom feels about all this- on one hand, he didn't get any say into being a body double and sucked into all the drama. On the other, he gets to be a merc commander, and the vessel for snakes revenge on cipher when their previous base got blown up.

Ocelot and Miller are kind of your angel/devil on your shoulder. Ocelot is pretty chill about everything; he doesn't let his personal feelings get in the way of doing his job. Miller on the other hand is extremely emotional; he's driven by a feeling of revenge against Skullface and he's willing to turn on anybody that didn't follow his vision.


Originally posted by Bite:
Finish Mission 46 and then listen to the Truth Records.

However, since you're asking some direct questions....

1. Plastic surgery and hypnotherapy. You're the medic who was with Big Boss at the end of Ground Zeroes, the medic shielded Big Boss from the blast and was basically clinically dead.

2. Building the real Outer Heaven.

3. Miller didn't know Venom wasn't the real one until Ocelot tells him at an unkown date after the events of TPP, and Ocelot hypnotized himself to believe Venom was the real Big Boss.

Sidequestion: No, they are not aware. They eventually find out however.

Ok i just finished the mission 46 and Truth Tapes. Now im really curious, what happens to Venom Snake? Does he keep being the Big Bosses other half, or does he switch sides/going his own way?
Also, Ocelote talked about him and Miller maybe ending up on different sides, having to fight and eventually kill each other, does this actually happen, or do they both stay on Big Bosses side?
Bite Dec 10, 2015 @ 1:23pm 
Originally posted by Arroz Cato:

Ok i just finished the mission 46 and Truth Tapes. Now im really curious, what happens to Venom Snake? Does he keep being the Big Bosses other half, or does he switch sides/going his own way?
Also, Ocelote talked about him and Miller maybe ending up on different sides, having to fight and eventually kill each other, does this actually happen, or do they both stay on Big Bosses side?

1. He remains on Big Boss' side. He commands the real Outer Heaven and is killed in Metal Gear 1 by Solid Snake, the rookie FOXHOUND agent that the real Big Boss sent into Outer Heaven in order to stall the NATO bombings and earn Venom some time to finish prepping Metal Gear. The plan backfires, Venom is killed and Big Boss has to go into hiding while rescuing all the important personnel from OH and taking them to Zanzibar, where Metal Gear 2 takes place.

2. This happens in Metal Gear Solid 1, Ocelot takes up to training Liquid Snake (Eli) and Miller goes back to Cipher and ends up training Solid Snake (David). Ocelot ultimately kills Miller just a few days before the events of Metal Gear Solid 1.
f. Dec 10, 2015 @ 1:30pm 
Would've been awesome if Venom Snakes would go for revenge after Big Boss.
cato Dec 10, 2015 @ 1:41pm 
Originally posted by Bite:

1. He remains on Big Boss' side. He commands the real Outer Heaven and is killed in Metal Gear 1 by Solid Snake, the rookie FOXHOUND agent that the real Big Boss sent into Outer Heaven in order to stall the NATO bombings and earn Venom some time to finish prepping Metal Gear. The plan backfires, Venom is killed and Big Boss has to go into hiding while rescuing all the important personnel from OH and taking them to Zanzibar, where Metal Gear 2 takes place.

2. This happens in Metal Gear Solid 1, Ocelot takes up to training Liquid Snake (Eli) and Miller goes back to Cipher and ends up training Solid Snake (David). Ocelot ultimately kills Miller just a few days before the events of Metal Gear Solid 1.

Pretty sad everyone i just started identify with in this game gets killed later on :P But thanks for the answer, sounds like i missed out on a lot not playing all the games.

Can i, as a very last question, ask what the final ending is of the last MGS game, and what game is even the last?
Bite Dec 10, 2015 @ 1:53pm 
Originally posted by Already a Demon:
Would've been awesome if Venom Snakes would go for revenge after Big Boss.

He doesn't have any reason to go against Big Boss.

He shielded him from the blast and basically died, the fact that Zero and Ocelot brought him back from the dead is actually more of a favor, specially since he smiles when he realizes he's earned the title of Big Boss.

Originally posted by Arroz Cato:

Pretty sad everyone i just started identify with in this game gets killed later on :P But thanks for the answer, sounds like i missed out on a lot not playing all the games.

Can i, as a very last question, ask what the final ending is of the last MGS game, and what game is even the last?

The final game is Metal Gear Solid 4, the final ending is a meeting between Big Boss and Solid Snake in which BB admits that he made a lot of mistakes.
f. Dec 10, 2015 @ 2:16pm 
Originally posted by Bite:
Originally posted by Already a Demon:
Would've been awesome if Venom Snakes would go for revenge after Big Boss.

He doesn't have any reason to go against Big Boss.

He shielded him from the blast and basically died, the fact that Zero and Ocelot brought him back from the dead is actually more of a favor, specially since he smiles when he realizes he's earned the title of Big Boss.

He could take over as the only Big Boss, especially when Venom is all forgiving and the real one just used him to abandon everybody and was already having nukes in PW. He could go on his own instead of praising the Big Boss. After all, he is part of the legend now, he could change the legend however he wants.
Bite Dec 10, 2015 @ 2:31pm 
Originally posted by Already a Demon:
Originally posted by Bite:

He doesn't have any reason to go against Big Boss.

He shielded him from the blast and basically died, the fact that Zero and Ocelot brought him back from the dead is actually more of a favor, specially since he smiles when he realizes he's earned the title of Big Boss.

He could take over as the only Big Boss, especially when Venom is all forgiving and the real one just used him to abandon everybody and was already having nukes in PW. He could go on his own instead of praising the Big Boss. After all, he is part of the legend now, he could change the legend however he wants.


I honestly see very little reason in any of that to turn against Big Boss. People keep saying that "he used him", but...Ocelot makes it very clear that he likes it, and hell, even we like it. We like playing as Big Boss, and as Venom accepts the role of the players as his own during the last ending, it's hard to imagine him having any resentment against being Big Boss.

In the end it's not even like Big Boss used the guy and ditched him either way, he thanked him and then both carried on being Big Boss.
f. Dec 10, 2015 @ 2:42pm 
Originally posted by Bite:
Originally posted by Already a Demon:

He could take over as the only Big Boss, especially when Venom is all forgiving and the real one just used him to abandon everybody and was already having nukes in PW. He could go on his own instead of praising the Big Boss. After all, he is part of the legend now, he could change the legend however he wants.


I honestly see very little reason in any of that to turn against Big Boss. People keep saying that "he used him", but...Ocelot makes it very clear that he likes it, and hell, even we like it. We like playing as Big Boss, and as Venom accepts the role of the players as his own during the last ending, it's hard to imagine him having any resentment against being Big Boss.

In the end it's not even like Big Boss used the guy and ditched him either way, he thanked him and then both carried on being Big Boss.

He thanked him so he can fulfill his own selfish needs, after all, he wants his precious land of soldiers/child soldiers and nukes so he can rule the world and not Cipher. After all what Huey does and Venom Snake is still forgiving enough to not cut his head off you can see there is a difference in personality. I know that Huey dying would screw the plot but stil, he could've at least beat his ass a little bit. lol

He may like to be Big Boss in the beginning but after seeing the real reason the real Big Boss is doing all of this (Outer Heaven) he could easily go after him and become the only Big Boss with his own beliefs. It would be cool, and in the end the Phantom would fail anyway so yep.

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