[SPOILER] Listening to the last Paz tape

[MatchaYuTian]

The feels man. Especially since I played Peace Walker & Ground Zeroes.

"I'll always be with you, as a part of your heart"

(Q_Q)

[Kethanid]

Yeah, and after listening to the GZ tapes of her torture sessions, you're just left feeling horrible for her. Then you listen to the tape of her and a certain other main character in the game, and another realization of who she really was, had me feeling even worse for her. As a character anyway.

[Sekkuar666]

Snake recorded them tapes while curling on the floor on the corner of the medical platform in the dark while trying to make Paz voice

"Peace day never came..."

[Kethanid]

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

Snake recorded them tapes while curling on the floor on the corner of the medical platform in the dark while trying to make Paz voice

"Peace day never came..."

Awesome lolol

[Valdyr]

If the Paz thing was all a hallucination, including the entire set of tapes... how do we know if anything we see in the game is real or not?

[Xarathox]

Originally posted by Valdyr:

If the Paz thing was all a hallucination, including the entire set of tapes... how do we know if anything we see in the game is real or not?

Before there was the S3 program, there existed the B2 program...

[Kethanid]

Originally posted by Valdyr:

If the Paz thing was all a hallucination, including the entire set of tapes... how do we know if anything we see in the game is real or not?

Exactly, he even supposedly sees Kaz and Ocelot in the same room, giving him info on her condition. Giving her a medical diagnosis for her weird behavior. I wish the game would give you better clues as to what you are hallucinating vs what's really happening. Only time I ever even saw my screen change color was in the hospital when you reset your knee, then the blood on the floor turns bluish. There's no clues to Paz's storyline till right at the very end.

[supertrooper225]

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

Snake recorded them tapes while curling on the floor on the corner of the medical platform in the dark while trying to make Paz voice

"Peace day never came..."

Can someone like make this video with the Phantom Pain Snake model and actually show this scene? Because I can't get over how hilarious it looks in my head.

[Sekkuar666]

Originally posted by Valdyr:

If the Paz thing was all a hallucination, including the entire set of tapes... how do we know if anything we see in the game is real or not?

There are no facts, only interpretations

[Valdyr]

Unless Kojima says otherwise to set the record straight, I'm saying it's an entirely valid alternate interpretation that there is no twist and Venom is Jack, and the whole "secret decoy plot" is a fantasy cooked up between the coma and the brain damage (both from his brain being temporarily starved of oxygen from his heart temporarily stopping and the shrapnel in his head). Big Boss regained most of his physical abilities, but is now disconnected from reality, which helps to explain how he ends up becoming basically nothing but a warmonger who loves conflict. The "phantom" motif still fits even if he's not literally 2 people: he's a ghost of the hero he once was, with his body, mind and ideals all splintered and cracked.

Everyone talks about the Moby D1ck references, but there are also a lot of 1984 ones that seem to go unnoticed even though the game mentions them. The most obvious is that the game itself is set in the year 1984--there's no reason the coma needed to last 9 years (and that's a bit crazy) except to have the game take place in that significant year. The "Big Boss is watching you" posters on Mother Base during part of the game. There's mention of the term "doublethink" in one of the tapes, and the game itself uses the concept later by giving us a mission called "Truth" that introduces itself by giving a quote that says "There are no such things as facts, only interpretations." The game is simultaneously saying "This is the truth" and "Truth does not exist." So how can we really conclude anything?

[MatchaYuTian]

Well the doctors & ocelot explained that the shrapnel in Venom's head might contribute to hallucinations.

Regarding Paz, I definitely felt that she slowly became more loyal the longer she stayed with MSF on Mother base. She really didn't want to use Zeke towards the end. She was between a rock and a hard place quite literally.

In Ground Zeroes we learn from the tapes that she protected Big Boss & MSF's secrets whilst Chico gave in and told Skull Face everything. Skull face of course knew beforehand and played Chico like a fiddle using his affections for Paz.

Finally with Paz in phantom pain. At first I was skeptical regarding her scar having not healed even after 9 years, not to mention she looks the same as she did in peace walker. Then once the 2nd cutscene came I knew it was a hallucination. Venom's memories as Big Boss tells us that Big Boss definitely felt guilty about not being able to save her.

All aboard the feel train to feel town guys.

[Sekkuar666]

I knew Paz was dead first time I saw her.

Skullface doctor said he removed her organs to make room for the bomb, and she wouldn't live another 24 hours.

Impossible for her to have survived that AND the fall from the chopper, even if they did remove both bombs (which likely wasn't the case anyway)

[Kethanid]

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

I knew Paz was dead first time I saw her.

Skullface doctor said he removed her organs to make room for the bomb, and she wouldn't live another 24 hours.

Impossible for her to have survived that AND the fall from the chopper, even if they did remove both bombs (which likely wasn't the case anyway)

I forgot about Skullface saying that about her organs being removed. I need to replay GZ again, kind of feel like it's supposed to be with TPP anyway.

[MatchaYuTian]

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

I knew Paz was dead first time I saw her.

Skullface doctor said he removed her organs to make room for the bomb, and she wouldn't live another 24 hours.

Impossible for her to have survived that AND the fall from the chopper, even if they did remove both bombs (which likely wasn't the case anyway)

I have to go back and listen to the tapes again. I didn't know the part regarding removing her organs. Good find man.

[Valdyr]

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

I knew Paz was dead first time I saw her.

Skullface doctor said he removed her organs to make room for the bomb, and she wouldn't live another 24 hours.

Impossible for her to have survived that AND the fall from the chopper, even if they did remove both bombs (which likely wasn't the case anyway)

Yeah, I suspected something was wrong right off the bat, too, especially when you get the cutscene where Snake is having the flashback to the helicopter and trying to piece together how it "must have" happened, in order to make sense of what he's seeing in front of him. My feels were less for Paz herself and more for "Oh, geez, he's crazy now, isn't he."

[Kethanid]

Originally posted by ToxicYuTian:

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

I knew Paz was dead first time I saw her.

Skullface doctor said he removed her organs to make room for the bomb, and she wouldn't live another 24 hours.

Impossible for her to have survived that AND the fall from the chopper, even if they did remove both bombs (which likely wasn't the case anyway)

I have to go back and listen to the tapes again. I didn't know the part regarding removing her organs. Good find man.

Man the tape of her torture is freaking hard to listen to, i know it's fake but the actress did such a great job selling the yelps and screams of pain. It's vicious.