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Anyway, yeah, it was pretty obvious Ishmael was the real Big Boss. The "you're talking to yourself" line was supposed to be sneaky, I guess, but it definitely wasn't. And why does Big Boss need a mentor to teach him stealth, or rather, who would be most qualified to give someone a tutorial on stealth? This guy whose face is completely covered for no reason other than to not let you see it? HMMMM... Not to mention the character customizer interface where it shows you your "new face" making it especially clear that some things aren't the way they seem.
I guess to be fair, after the intro, you really don't get an obvious clue until you meet Eli, so maybe some players just forgot, I dunno.
However, every MGS game rewrites the context for the events and adds new conspiracies, so there's a limit to how certain anyone should ever feel about the lore (in my opinion), even if there is never another canon entry.
anyways, i thought it was ridiculously obvious, but i think people just fell for the red hearing. oto focused on the guy with a face wrap, which to this day i think is the more debatable topic.
the thing that through me off was theres another half blown up dude next to you, froooommmm nine years ago?
not to mention the whole, it took nine years to find snake? i had always known quite was helping snake in the long run, they knew where he was, who he was.
why didnt she put a bullet in his head right ther? mission accomplished. everybody in that hospital is being systematically slaughtered anyways. why not just do him in right there?
its just, they had to wait till they put the right face on him? or something?
just kill everybody when they are in the prep room for the face transplant. just, the whole scene i had understood before i was walking.
it would ve been strange if it was a one time thing, but of the top of my head, Ocelot also treats MC as a potential ♥♥♥♥♥♥ who has no clue whats going on
those who didnt, no
pretty simple
its not like mgsv didnt have a twist for nerds, Paz segment was cool, i would say, it was probably even more signifficant for nerds, rather ppl who played this game for the first time, thus lacking any attachment to the character
1) The first and only time we saw Naked Snake after the MGS5-timeline was at the end of MGS 4, where his body was recounstructed by using body parts of Solidus, which is btw also why he looks more like Solidus than Naked Snake. So that doesn't tell us anything about that Venom Snake isn't Naked Snake. And at the end of Ground Zeroes a bomb pretty much exploded in your face as evidently proven by the shrapnel in your body. So it's not totally unbelievable that this is the real Naked Snake who just lost an arm. (and lets not forget the shere coincidence of Venom Snake also getting his right eye damaged).
2) Also we've a time jump of 30 years inbetween MGS5 and MGS4, in which time we've also seen nanobots being capable of making people nearly unkillable and being able to recover even from headshots without any damage being done to the brain whatsoever. It's not unthinkable, that they could've used that technology to get rid of the big shard. (and i wouldn't be surprised, if most people even forgot, that Naked Snake even showed up at all, like it was a littlebit of a surprise to me as well, when i've replayed it recently after 7 years)
3) As shown in MGS 4, even the Big Boss has its limits and he would've been dead, wouldn't it be for Eva and the rebels. So it's again not unbelievable, that a weakened Naked Snake could use some help from Ishmael, especially since painkillers, anesthetics and/or exhaustion can strongly reduce your judgemental capabilities.
4) Many of the hints of it not being the real Big Boss where hidden very well in very minor hints, as for example the reflection in the helicopter window (good luck realizing that without being told) or by ambiguous small quotes (for example the AI pod asking, if it's really Big Boss, where you first need to play Peace Walker and then even make the extra step of understanding, that this sentence was given because the AI pod was unsure about it being actually BB instead of just being surprised to see him there)
5) They've used the same voice for Naked Snake in Ground Zeroes and Venom Snake in Phantom Paint, so that's another trick to make us believe they're the same persons. I could've understood that point, if they've used David Hayter for Naked Snake, but it's quite obvious, that Kojima intentionally used the same voice for both chars to make it as hard as possible to predict that .
6) The level of competence of Venom Snake is on par with what Naked Snake would've been capable of, especially when it comes to defeating special units or even a Metal Gear.
And honestly, i got tricked into it and i don't see a reason to be ashamed of that at all. I didn't study MGS-lore to a degree, that i could spot all the hints first try, i had several years of pause inbetween most entries and most certainly i was mostly playing for the gameplay rather than the lore on this one, especially after seeing, that they've decided against a movie-like presentation. And generally, we've seen so much bending in terms of realism and logics, that it's quite strange to suddenly expect Kojima to not find a paranormal or technological miracle to explain anything of the above, even if it was Big Boss we would've played in MGS5
I'd say a player who is paying attention to what's happening in MGSV might at least be able to pick up on the fact that things may not be what they seem, even if the player doesn't anticipate the twist exactly as it comes.
But I generally agree with your points about the leaps in logic and sci-fi elements throughout the games. While people can argue about what "really happened," any understanding will require some magical thinking or suspension of disbelief, one way or another.
I don't care if so-and-so is obvious, I have not played the other games prior, so to me, it is not so obvious.
Please change it.
Plus, other characters suffer horrific injuries and recover in various ways. Ocelot loses his arm in MGS, and has a new one in MGS2. Gray Fox is killed in Metal Gear 2, and is now a Cyborg by MGS. The whole series is based on Science Fiction. If they didn't go down the "You're not Big Boss" route then they'd have found a way to help him recover from his injuries in some way before "Metal Gear" to fix the inconsistency.