METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Poor choice of words? (English translation)
Does anyone else feels like a few words are simply out of place despite the good quality of overall translation? I can't help but wonder why they selected some of these words in particular when there were MUCH better choices:
Elimination:
No kidding, when I first started playing, I didn't even know you could actually extract the targets alive. I mean I knew you CAN fulton them, but I thought you MUST kill them just because the mission objective says Eliminate. It literally means "kill" them, I even got confused when ocelot said eliminate them by a method of your choice. I was like WTF, how do you choose between killing someone and killing them. It should've simply said Eliminate or Fulton just like how it says in multiplayer. Using the word "eliminate" alone is very misleading, it means you have to kill them, no other option.
Replacement: Subdue/Eliminate or Fulton
Stamina:
This is just as bad as elimination. It definitely doesn't mean what they thought it means. The correct word they should've used is "Endurance". It's confusing, specially in multiplayer where you have a limited sprint duration. What stamina actually means in-game, is a blue bar that once depleted, knocks the target out. It's not even remotely close to the meaning of the word "Stamina". And this one has been there since the original MGS, I could never understand why they decided to use the word "Stamina" instead of "Endurance". It's not the same.
Replacement: Endurance
Sortie:
Again, this doesn't mean what they thought it does. Even Metal Slug Attack (surprisingly, it's Japanese as well) uses the same word in the wrong concept as well. How hard was it to just call it Loadout or Mission Preparation? I mean, you DO mount an offensive strike so "technically" it's not wrong but it's just not appropriate when there are much better words.
Replacement: Loadout/Mission Preparation
Buddy:
It would've been better if they used the word "Sidekick" instead, since you can have a mechanical walker and a machine can't technically be your "friend". It doesn't even have an AI, how can a machine be your friend? Or a horse for that matter? Maybe usage of this word is fine for Quiet or DDog but the word "Sidekick" or even "Partner" would've been a MUCH better alternative.
Replacement: Sidekick/Partner
Last edited by 76561197963259080; Feb 1, 2016 @ 5:21am
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Lunchtime Zone Feb 1, 2016 @ 5:36am 
I didn't had any of these problems, really so I don't care.
E.g. it is an elimination mission but where did they say that you can't fulton him? They didn't. It's all up to your imagination. Contract says "kill". But you have a choice of your own.
Mace Feb 1, 2016 @ 5:37am 
Well, I think eliminate just means taking somebody out, doesn't need to be lethally. Maybe sidekick would be better than buddy. But why can't a horse be your friend?
Sekkuar666 Feb 1, 2016 @ 5:39am 
"Eliminate" is used on purpose.
As Miller himself says, the mission is to kill the target, but you can always lie to your client by capturing them instead.
(Except in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ mission with the child soldier prisoners where Miller tries to misleading you into killing an innocent soldier)

"Stamina" been used ever since MGS3. In MGS4 and MGS PW it was called "Psyche", and in this game, it doesn't have an official name as far as I know
(the blue bar is invisible and has no name)

"Sortie" is a term used for solo missions.

"Buddy" work just as fine if they used "Pet" instead.
You feel awkward about calling a robot your "buddy" but doesn't about calling a horse your "partner"? What's wrong with you. Robots have feelings too!
Mace Feb 1, 2016 @ 5:42am 
Originally posted by Sekkuar:

"Buddy" work just as fine if they used "Pet" instead.
You feel awkward about calling a robot your "buddy" but doesn't about calling a horse your "partner"? What's wrong with you. Robots have feelings too!
So Quiet would be called a Pet?
Sekkuar666 Feb 1, 2016 @ 5:43am 
Originally posted by Macedolago:
Originally posted by Sekkuar:

"Buddy" work just as fine if they used "Pet" instead.
You feel awkward about calling a robot your "buddy" but doesn't about calling a horse your "partner"? What's wrong with you. Robots have feelings too!
So Quiet would be called a Pet?
I'm okay with that
Cooperal Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:03am 
I got no problems with the last two. You are going out as a one man sortie, and you don't customise it by picking people (well you can, and that's probably the reason it isn't called Equipment or Loadout), but by picking out the capabilities of your sortie.
And I see no reason why those suggestions are any more valid than Buddy. War Buddies? You're sharing experiences and camaraderie is a theme that's been emphasised in previous games many times. Sidekick makes you sound like a spandex superhero while Partner undermines that fact that you are the one calling the shots.

Eliminate is a bit misleading but it's clear enough to me that any method of neutralising a threat is going to work out the same. But I still wouldn't use Neutralise because that implies you only need to sleep/stun people. Same goes for subdue. I'd switch with "remove enemy threat". Though I'm part thinking the game wants you to figure out the alternative for yourself, as implied by some of the dialogue that Ocelot gives you when you extract certain objective related enemies.

Both Stamina and Endurance don't fit for me. Endurance makes me think of the mileage something can take. Other games reference it to measure health capacity or defense as well as stamina. I would rather see something like Alertness or Alert Lvl.
No_Quarter Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:06am 
I agree on stamina

fultoning and killing, you get that from conversations with Miller, I just fultoned target cause it made sense for Ocelot to play with them and maybe learn something, first time I did it is Red Brass.

sortie in okayish, and buddy works fine cause side-kick gives you less intimacy, I'd never call my dog a side-kick
Last edited by No_Quarter; Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:07am
Originally posted by Sekkuar:
Originally posted by Macedolago:
So Quiet would be called a Pet?
I'm okay with that

Kinky
Xarathox Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:14am 
How can a horse be your friend? You clearly never grew up around any.
No_Quarter Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:25am 
Originally posted by Xarathox:
How can a horse be your friend? You clearly never grew up around any.

oh it can, I did grew up knowing few
Inka Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:26am 
Retribution, stop acting like you are a part of this community. You´re not, you pathetic piece of cheating ♥♥♥♥.
jyuuu Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:30am 
the full term used in game is sortie prep, you're silly
Mace Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:35am 
Originally posted by Hojima:
Retribution, stop acting like you are a part of this community. You´re not, you pathetic piece of cheating ♥♥♥♥.
What cheat he used? FOB or MGO?
Inka Feb 1, 2016 @ 6:42am 
Originally posted by Macedolago:
Originally posted by Hojima:
Retribution, stop acting like you are a part of this community. You´re not, you pathetic piece of cheating ♥♥♥♥.
What cheat he used? FOB or MGO?
Check the leaderboards for Comm Control in MGO. There is your answer
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