MGS2 was a Confusing Game.

[Endalrin]

Verdict: MGS2's is either really good or really bad, depending on if you understand Kojima's intentions of the game. It is in some ways, apperently, a mockery of the people who loved his work with Solid, which seems illogical, but it also a sort of, passing the torch from one hero to the next. Which makes a lot more sense. The story is iffy, and not everything works, but the overall message is clear once you understand it.
That said the gameplay was amazing, the characters were interesing and I have yet to find something that tops the katana controller mechanics. That was amazing.

Apperently I am an idiot for thinking MGS2 was bad. lol.

I was pretty much explained that the convulted ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t is a brilliant writing that mocks the fanbase of the Metal Gear Solid games.

Seriously? That is like, an artist makes an amazing painting or sculpture. And everyone aplauds it and says it is wonderful and they want to see more of it. So he flips them all off, tells them to go ♥♥♥♥ themselves, and makes a second one to mock them.

Where is the logic in this? Where is the sense? People love your work so you ridicule them?

Seriously, the game was a copy of the first, and if that was done just to mock the fanbase then it's an even ♥♥♥♥♥ier game then I thought.

I had fun with it, I had a good laugh. It was a fun play but not anything I would consider a good storyline by any means.

Besides, Metal Gear SOLID, it's about solid snaked. Not Raiden who should have had his own storyline.
If Raiden's only purpose is to mock the fan he shouldn't even exist.


To everyone who thinks I'm an idiot for these viewpoints, Too Bad, We are all entitled to our own opions and name-calling just because I don't agree with you is petty and childish. Get a life.
Amazing how many of you need to get a life. I want a friendly debate and yet you come in here to mock me. How amusing.


I actually would like to hear a valid reason why MGS2 was a good game, not "you don't get it cause you're dumb."

[Bansheebutt]

MGS2's similarities with the first (Solid) game was kinda a major plot point.

Personally I like how Meta Kojima gets with his protagonists.

Like how everyone wants to play as Snake, so Kojima invents the whole Cloning thing. The two times we didn't play as literally Snake, we we're playing as someone the patriots attempted to program into being Snake, and of course, Big Medic.

I'll never forget When MGSV first went into that Character Creation screen and my immediate reaction was "I don't want to be this guy, I want to be Snake!" Then was pleasently suprised when it appeared the "Surgery" wasn't finished in time.

And then the "Truth" ending happened.

You might say I'd been played like some sort of classical instrument.

[Cooperal]

Well from a gameplay standpoint I thought it was just a better MGS1. Like a refined one.

Though to say MGS2 wasn't about Snake just because you don't play him is just wrong. They pulled out all stops to make him seem as legendary and mysterious as possible using a way that couldn't have been done from the first person.

I liked it. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make something that isn't completely the same.

Not to mention that MG SOLID has not consistently been about Solid since 2 and that the use of the word solid in the title was intentionally there to have cross meanings besides the character. Since Snake Eater you would think that the franchise was more about Big Boss, or hell even Ocelot.

I can't take it seriously when the only make or break for a person is the character they watch from. To always be happy is to always be mild.

[Ēarendel]

Actually MGS2 Subsistence was pretty good. It got released on PC, had good ps2 graphics in 2005-2006, had lots and lots of VR missions, snake tales, and the gameplay itself was improved on MGS1 with more items and functions, I dont see what you are trying to tell, it was like the next stepping stone to a better MGS.

By your logic then MGS3=MGS2 since similar gameplay apart from jungle themed survival and story.

[Vallaes]

How pathetic trying to paint the entire game bad just because of a player model which was designed to reflect YOU the player as a whiny little ♥♥♥♥♥♥. The game was brilliant the best among MGS from story, AI of soldiers and gameplay wise it has far more to offer than any other MGS title and than any other video game of this genre.

[Xarathox]

The SOLID in Metal Gear Solid, actually stands for 3D. Kojima wanted to remake Metal Gear into a 3D game, thus MGS was born. A lot of things were carried over into MGS from the first two games, including a heavy machine gun weilding boss and a ninja.

[R!SK]

Calling a 96% metacritic game bad because of Raiden and his appearance, right? That's why Kojima is a smart man, for showing to people that you don't like other people because of their different appearance.

[R!SK]

Originally posted by !!-*Trickster*-!! ^^:

Actually MGS2 Subsistence was pretty good. It got released on PC, had good ps2 graphics in 2005-2006, had lots and lots of VR missions, snake tales, and the gameplay itself was improved on MGS1 with more items and functions, I dont see what you are trying to tell, it was like the next stepping stone to a better MGS.

By your logic then MGS3=MGS2 since similar gameplay apart from jungle themed survival and story.

You mean "MGS2: Substance" not "Subsistence" that's for "MGS3: Subsintence" and that was in 2003 not 2005-2006.

[En.Ki]

Originally posted by Bifröst:

How pathetic trying to paint the entire game bad just because of a player model which was designed to reflect YOU the player as a whiny little ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

most probably ;) bcs the truth hurts mi ;)

[Xarathox]

I also never understood the hate Raiden brought forth when MGS2 came out. Sure, it sucked we weren't playing as Snake, and Kojima's serious want to make him as feminine looking as possible was weird as hell, but he wasn't awful. The Final Fantasy series holds the title for the worst character designs ever dreamt up.

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by RiSk:

Calling a 96% metacritic game bad because of Raiden and his appearance, right? That's why Kojima is a smart man, for showing to people that you don't like other people because of their different appearance.

omg are you seriously valueing metacritic as a valuable review site? XD

And no, you and the rest of the people calling me an idiot, are the idiots. I merely made this post to see what people said. If you bothered reading through this thread you would have found out I actually had fun playing this game.

[Professor Smooth]

Originally posted by Kaiiela:

I loved the crap out of MGS2 lol
Plus it gave me a birthday cake ~That made me smirk

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by Xarathox:

I also never understood the hate Raiden brought forth when MGS2 came out. Sure, it sucked we weren't playing as Snake, and Kojima's serious want to make him as feminine looking as possible was weird as hell, but he wasn't awful. The Final Fantasy series holds the title for the worst character designs ever dreamt up.

all that and he seemed a bit... pathetic?
Sad thing this was all intentional to mock us. Which apperently is brilliant writing.... sure, sure it is.

wait, which characters in particular in FF are terrible? some of them I liked, but most of the new stuff I couldn't care less about.

[Bansheebutt]

Originally posted by Xarathox:

Kojima's serious want to make him as feminine looking as possible was weird as hell

His adrogynous appearence was meant to play into how he represents the player, who could be Male or Female.

[tacogao]

MGS2 was a work of genius far beyond your comprehension. That may seem like a baseless statement but I can back my claim:

Originally posted by 0perator 88:

No. No it did not. It was a joke.
Don't get me wrong the game was fun, the characters were interesting but they literally said "we're copying the events of the first game" in some attempt to creat a copy of solid snake or some ♥♥♥♥. like with that kid in Batman Beyond, same concept.
the "invincible" chick who "just wants to die" the sparkling vampire, fat dude on roller blades.
Remember how psycho mantis was the weirdest thing in MGS1? He's boring vanilla compared to these weirdos. It was the beginning of the end of what I loved so much about MGS1. I need to play MGS3 but I no longer have my PS2.... and it's damaged... so even if I got it again I need to get it refurbished or replaced. AAARG.... oh well....

But, no, seriously. "Remember when i broke into your room? IT WAS EMPTY!!! LIKE YOUR HEART!!!!" I literally fell over laughing my ass off when she said that line. It was just, So, Bad.

Please tell me how this horrible "Why The ♥♥♥♥ am I playing Raiden and NOT Snake" game is so good cause, like, Solid Snake is the ♥♥♥♥ and the real hero of Metal Gear and it's BS most of the games you don't even play as him!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-2YuPGYabw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8AVbjd94vc

Get educated.

[Endalrin]

Oh look, the snob who thinks he knows better has joined me in another thread.