MGS2 was a Confusing Game.

[Endalrin]

Verdict: MGS2's is either really good or really bad, depending on if you understand Kojima's intentions of the game. It is in some ways, apperently, a mockery of the people who loved his work with Solid, which seems illogical, but it also a sort of, passing the torch from one hero to the next. Which makes a lot more sense. The story is iffy, and not everything works, but the overall message is clear once you understand it.
That said the gameplay was amazing, the characters were interesing and I have yet to find something that tops the katana controller mechanics. That was amazing.

Apperently I am an idiot for thinking MGS2 was bad. lol.

I was pretty much explained that the convulted ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t is a brilliant writing that mocks the fanbase of the Metal Gear Solid games.

Seriously? That is like, an artist makes an amazing painting or sculpture. And everyone aplauds it and says it is wonderful and they want to see more of it. So he flips them all off, tells them to go ♥♥♥♥ themselves, and makes a second one to mock them.

Where is the logic in this? Where is the sense? People love your work so you ridicule them?

Seriously, the game was a copy of the first, and if that was done just to mock the fanbase then it's an even ♥♥♥♥♥ier game then I thought.

I had fun with it, I had a good laugh. It was a fun play but not anything I would consider a good storyline by any means.

Besides, Metal Gear SOLID, it's about solid snaked. Not Raiden who should have had his own storyline.
If Raiden's only purpose is to mock the fan he shouldn't even exist.


To everyone who thinks I'm an idiot for these viewpoints, Too Bad, We are all entitled to our own opions and name-calling just because I don't agree with you is petty and childish. Get a life.
Amazing how many of you need to get a life. I want a friendly debate and yet you come in here to mock me. How amusing.


I actually would like to hear a valid reason why MGS2 was a good game, not "you don't get it cause you're dumb."

[PhantomPain]

Yeah, MGS2 was pretty bad, even people inside Konami didn't like the fact that you were not gonna play as Snake.

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by PhantomScar1987:

Yeah, MGS2 was pretty bad, even people inside Konami didn't like the fact that you was not gonna play as Snake.

Ya, so upset I didn't get to play as snake, but I LOVED the katana part. The controller mechanics for that was amazing. Never had so much fun with a melee weapon before in my life.
But story wise, it was just bad. >_<
I love it when people say. "you just don't get it. you gotta read between the lines. you gotta reread the story 30 times" all I hear is the story writing is bad and we don't want to miss it and we know there's a lot of plotwholes but we're going to use big words to cover that up.
Sometimes ya, there's indepth stuff you gotta look for, and sometimes it's just a poorly written story.

[Zaqq]

In terms of gameplay MGS2 was great. The opening mission where you play as Solid Snake was awesome. But yeah, including Raiden was Kojima trolling us.

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by Fiddler 🎻:

lmfao, so mgs2 is only bad because you play as Raiden and because it's a "copy" of mgs1? Did you know that mgs1 is a "copy" of MG2? Again, you don't know ♥♥♥♥ about mgs2 and don't think you do. Raiden isn't supposed to mock the fan, he is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fan. If playing the game more than once or twice and/or reading and watching videos about it is too much, then don't ask for valid reasons why the game is good. Believe me, I hated the game when I first played it and only started loving it after MANY hours of "studying"

I didn't say once or twice. I said if I have to play it THIRTY times to understand it it's BS.

I already had a friend explain it properly. While you are acting like an arrogant prick who thinks he knows better and thus proving I'm right in finding it stupid.

and serriously? the first game is a copy of the second game? Please explain your ♥♥♥♥ or gtfo.

[fantasma]

I disagree

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by fantasma:

I disagree

o k

[Canderous Ordo]

Originally posted by 0perator 88:

Apperently I am an idiot for thinking this. lol.

I was pretty much explained that the convulted ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t is a brilliant writing that mocks the fanbase of the Metal Gear Solid games.

Seriously? That is like, an artist makes an amazing painting or sculpture. And everyone aplauds it and says it is wonderful and they want to see more of it. So he flips them all off, tells them to go ♥♥♥♥ themselves, and makes a second one to mock them.

Where is the logic in this? Where is the sense? People love your work so you ridicule them?

Seriously, the game was a copy of the first, and if that was done just to mock the fanbase then it's an even ♥♥♥♥♥ier game then I thought.

I had fun with it, I had a good laugh. It was a fun play but not anything I would consider a good storyline by any means.

Besides, Metal Gear SOLID, it's about solid snaked. Not Raiden who should have had his own storyline.
If Raiden's only purpose is to mock the fan he shouldn't even exist.


To everyone who thinks I'm an idiot for these viewpoints, Too Bad, We are all entitled to our own opions and name-calling just because I don't agree with you is petty and childish. Get a life.



I actually would like to here a valid reason why MGS2 was a good game, not "you don't get it cause you're dumb."

I suggest you watch this indepth review of MGS2, it's actually pretty well made and worth the watch, it's 40 mins long tho just a head's up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8AVbjd94vc

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by CanderousXOrdo:

I suggest you watch this indepth review of MGS2, it's actually pretty well made and worth the watch, it's 40 mins long tho just a head's up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8AVbjd94vc

If I have the time, I will consider it, I accept this as a reasonable and unchildish response, especially compared to how others respond.

[Kaiiela]

I loved the crap out of MGS2 lol
Plus it gave me a birthday cake ~That made me smirk

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by Kaiiela:

I loved the crap out of MGS2 lol
Plus it gave me a birthday cake ~That made me smile

I don't remember a cake.
I had fun with it honestly. The Katana mechanics I can NOT praise enough. That was Amazing.
The characters were interestings. Unique. Fatman on roller skates lol.

But it was just so... I don't know. Story didn't work for me.
Still, the passing of a torch thing as my friend explained makes it sound a lot less "bad" then I thought when I first beat it.

It seems that unless you understand what the creator was trying to do, it was a bad game.

[Sekkuar666]

MGS2 was Kojima's idea of trolling the fans so they would shut up about Metal Gear and he wouldn't have to make MGS3...

...obviously, it didn't work.

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by Sekkuar:

MGS2 was Kojima's idea of trolling the fans so they would shut up about Metal Gear and he wouldn't have to make MGS3...

...obviously, it didn't work.

I don't see why he wouldn't just call a press conference and say, "No, No more MGS."
still, seems a shame to have only intended to make one game. then again... case in point.... Highlander.

[Kaiiela]

Originally posted by 0perator 88:

I don't remember a cake.
I had fun with it honestly. The Katana mechanics I can NOT praise enough. That was Amazing.
The characters were interestings. Unique. Fatman on roller skates lol.

But it was just so... I don't know. Story didn't work for me.
Still, the passing of a torch thing as my friend explained makes it sound a lot less "bad" then I thought when I first beat it.

It seems that unless you understand what the creator was trying to do, it was a bad game.

Lol this was fifteen years ago haha
But if I remember correctly, launch it on your birthday and you'll see a tiny birthday cake ( Top left I think ~maybe from the console thing )

Also I'm more of a gameplay first story second kind of person.

[Endalrin]

Originally posted by Kaiiela:

Originally posted by 0perator 88:

I don't remember a cake.
I had fun with it honestly. The Katana mechanics I can NOT praise enough. That was Amazing.
The characters were interestings. Unique. Fatman on roller skates lol.

But it was just so... I don't know. Story didn't work for me.
Still, the passing of a torch thing as my friend explained makes it sound a lot less "bad" then I thought when I first beat it.

It seems that unless you understand what the creator was trying to do, it was a bad game.

Lol this was fifteen years ago haha
But if I remember correctly, launch it on your birthday and you'll see a tiny birthday cake ( Top left I think ~maybe from the console thing )

Also I'm more of a gameplay first story second kind of person.

well the gameplay WAS good no doubts there.

[ItsMeVan]

Originally posted by 0perator 88:

Originally posted by Fiddler 🎻:

lmfao, so mgs2 is only bad because you play as Raiden and because it's a "copy" of mgs1? Did you know that mgs1 is a "copy" of MG2? Again, you don't know ♥♥♥♥ about mgs2 and don't think you do. Raiden isn't supposed to mock the fan, he is the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fan. If playing the game more than once or twice and/or reading and watching videos about it is too much, then don't ask for valid reasons why the game is good. Believe me, I hated the game when I first played it and only started loving it after MANY hours of "studying"

I didn't say once or twice. I said if I have to play it THIRTY times to understand it it's BS.

I already had a friend explain it properly. While you are acting like an arrogant prick who thinks he knows better and thus proving I'm right in finding it stupid.

and serriously? the first game is a copy of the second game? Please explain your ♥♥♥♥ or gtfo.

The first MGS is a "copy" of Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake that was released in 1990 for the MSX. The game has a lot of elements that were taken straight out MG2, like the ambush in the elevator, the staircase gunfight, even the "codec frequency on the back of the cd case" thing.
Because it's too similar to MGS doesn't make MGS 2 a bad game. Yes, the storyline is very convoluted, but it's not bad or lazy writing. Yes, Raiden can be annoying at times, but it was Kojima's effort of creating a more relatable protagonist, even though in the end it didn't work at all. Although I still think that MGS 2 is the worst game of the MGS series, it is by no way a bad game, in fact it's still one of the best games I've ever played. I mean it's still way better than the garbage that game developers released these days. I think the fact that you had fun with the game is already enough reason to NOT call it a bad game. But hey, it's your opinion, bro.