METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Is it Konami or Kojima's fault for why MGSV isn't finished?
I honestly wanna know what you guys really think on the situation. In my case I believe both are at fault. Kojima for bad money and time management since he had a budget of $80 Million and about 3 years of developement time. He could've had something close to The Witcher 3 in terms of content since they had similar budgets and about 3 years in developement as well. Konami is also at fault for giving Kojima too much power until it was too late to fix MGSV. It's also may be the reason why Silent Hills was canceled as well. Does anyone else have thoughts on this?
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To Clear upa few things:

1) In an Interview (with a Major Director of MGS V, form Kojima Production if i remebr correctly) It was stated that the end wa sinteded as that. There never were plans from Kojima to actually make chapter 51 playable, just maybe a bit better/longer video sequence.

2) According to Wikipedia and multipel osurce articles of that figure, MGS V cost a bit over 80 mil to make, 20 mil of which are costs of the FOX engine (not the entire engine, just a chunkc of it's cost booked in MGS V#s books since it#s one of the main users of it)

3) Kojima actually had the team ripp out multiple chapters/mechanics/cutscenes Multiple times during the production cycle, and discrding them togetehr with the thousands and thousands of hours put into them.

4) You can expect a Publisher to get about 50% of the money a game costs as net gain after V.A.T, trader/seller cuts, taxes and so on. bit mroe or less depending on hwo big/good a studio is, and already eering on the good side for the publishers here.
So with MGS V that would mean around 30 Euros per game for konami. so they'd have to sell rougly 2.34 million copies just to cover costs, plus at least 50k-100k copies mroe to pay for game support. and those costs and profits were spread over what, 5 years, the game took to make?
So if you say it averaged on 40 million blocked though 5 years (asuming a linear spending curve, with 0 at the beginning and 80 mil at the end, 40 mil would be average), a 10% profit quota per yearon their money would already require them to make 20 million total profit. And it's likely costs were higher at the beginning, with a non-linear curve, so you'd need mroe than that.
10% might sound high, but it is not all that much, especialy consideirng the company has overheads that are not calculated into the costs of the games, that eat into that, and the fact a publisher has to account for a certain % f their games making a more-or -less significant loss, so the good titles have to compensate for that, so 10% is really on the lowest end.
Oh, and ofc MGO, which probably added another 1-3 million on development cost after release.

Keep in mind, that was all just data/information provision, to clear up osme uncertainties I saw i nthis discussion. now on to my own opinion:

I think it mostly was Kojimas Fault. His drive for perfection missed two major facts:
A game can#t sink endless amoutns of money and time, it does need to be released, and for a profit.
You can#t really achieve perfection anyways, since with millions of players everyone is gonna have slightly different opinions/feelings/views. But the better it becomnes, the mroe effort another increase in quality is, and kojima is just not good at finding the spot where to stop.

Konami is not entirely Blameless itself, they've depended on Kojima to much for their own good over the years, and also they are not exactly the brightest star on the heavens themselves (other articels and discussion have already been had about the problems of Konami).

Tl;DR: i think it boils down to Kojimas AND Konamis egos getting into a feud, with Kojima kicking off problems and Konami beeing ♥♥♥♥♥ at delaing with them.
R!SK 2016年6月13日 7時21分 
Bawss の投稿を引用:
Kojima indeed goofed on this one. If he wanted MGS to be done since 1 or 2 he should just gave up and be done with it. Since Peace Walker you already could see that Kojima didn't care too much about the story and was just phoning it in. MGSV is the perfect example.
He could've done so much with the story but he decided to make it MGS2 in a very lazy way (thanks to Konami as well) and once again be a horny bastard with his models.

Where did you play the game? You pirated it? Just curious.
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MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:
Bawss の投稿を引用:
Kojima indeed goofed on this one. If he wanted MGS to be done since 1 or 2 he should just gave up and be done with it. Since Peace Walker you already could see that Kojima didn't care too much about the story and was just phoning it in. MGSV is the perfect example.
He could've done so much with the story but he decided to make it MGS2 in a very lazy way (thanks to Konami as well) and once again be a horny bastard with his models.

Where did you play the game? You pirated it? Just curious.


maybe he palyed it on console?
MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:
Bawss の投稿を引用:
Kojima indeed goofed on this one. If he wanted MGS to be done since 1 or 2 he should just gave up and be done with it. Since Peace Walker you already could see that Kojima didn't care too much about the story and was just phoning it in. MGSV is the perfect example.
He could've done so much with the story but he decided to make it MGS2 in a very lazy way (thanks to Konami as well) and once again be a horny bastard with his models.

Where did you play the game? You pirated it? Just curious.

Why you care so much how he played it? I have never seen forums so against piracy this damn bad.
R!SK 2016年6月13日 7時27分 
FlameWar の投稿を引用:
MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:

Where did you play the game? You pirated it? Just curious.


maybe he palyed it on console?

Yeah you're probably right, but i want to hear from him anyway.
R!SK 2016年6月13日 7時28分 
arthashanaru の投稿を引用:
MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:

Where did you play the game? You pirated it? Just curious.

Why you care so much how he played it? I have never seen forums so against piracy this damn bad.

That's because you're probaly new in this forum.
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R!SK 2016年6月13日 7時54分 
Kojima said he did what he was planning from the start, now you either believe him or you don't.
f. 2016年6月13日 16時42分 
MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:
Bawss の投稿を引用:
Kojima indeed goofed on this one. If he wanted MGS to be done since 1 or 2 he should just gave up and be done with it. Since Peace Walker you already could see that Kojima didn't care too much about the story and was just phoning it in. MGSV is the perfect example.
He could've done so much with the story but he decided to make it MGS2 in a very lazy way (thanks to Konami as well) and once again be a horny bastard with his models.

Where did you play the game? You pirated it? Just curious.
Why does this matter? I have the game on another account so this one is my other savefile since you can't make a PURE new game.
It's actually possible to start a fresh new game.
f. 2016年6月13日 16時58分 
GalaxiaShadow™ の投稿を引用:
It's actually possible to start a fresh new game.
You still keep your resources and FOB. I talking about completely fresh.
Bawss の投稿を引用:
GalaxiaShadow™ の投稿を引用:
It's actually possible to start a fresh new game.
You still keep your resources and FOB. I talking about completely fresh.

Sell all online resources beforehand, then you won't have those carry over. and no, you do not keep the FOB. you only keep the waters in which you can build one, since you paid with MB coins for those.
MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:
FlameWar の投稿を引用:


maybe he palyed it on console?

Yeah you're probably right, but i want to hear from him anyway.

What are you going to do? Arrest him ;)
Arthas 2016年6月13日 17時21分 
kulmnar の投稿を引用:
MGSFC RiSk の投稿を引用:

Yeah you're probably right, but i want to hear from him anyway.

What are you going to do? Arrest him ;)

He probably just wants him to admit piracy so he can report him on steam. Really don't see why this is still a big deal on steam and why they have that stupid rule in the first place. Vast majority of the steam userbase is guilty of piracy at least once.
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arthashanaru の投稿を引用:
kulmnar の投稿を引用:

What are you going to do? Arrest him ;)

He probably just wants him to admit piracy so he can report him on steam. Really don't see why this is still a big deal on steam and why they have that stupid rule in the first place. Vast majority of the steam userbase is guilty of piracy at least once.

My understanding is that Steam only cares about piracy if
a) you pirate games on Steam or
b) if you encourage piracy.

If someone pirated a game off-steam, Steam is not going to care, however, if they encourage piracy, then Steam cares.
f. 2016年6月13日 17時35分 
Too bad I did not pirated the game. lol
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