METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Deathraven13 Nov 18, 2019 @ 7:12pm
Do you know skull face identity ?
I got an idea who he is.
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Holografix Nov 18, 2019 @ 7:34pm 
Whooooooooo!!
Deathraven13 Nov 18, 2019 @ 8:25pm 
Originally posted by Holografix:
Whooooooooo!!

I've listened to one of the truth tapes, and Zero said something about having a second team in MGS3, now if you have played MGS3 and saw the ending EVA tell you that she wasn't really EVA, he was supposed to be a man but he never came for some odd reasons, Zero mentionned that skull face didn't liked the setup, so it probably mean that Skull face was the real EVA from MGS3. That would explain why he hate Zero and Big Boss, well he sort of hate Big Boss because Zero really like him.

Now would he be someone we saw in a metal gear gear ? He can only be in MGS3, MGS: portable OPS and MGS:PW, so who got burned ? Well there is the fury but he's probably totally dead unless we got another "Big boss died jk lol".

Could he be Raikov ? No.

Lt. Cunningham (MGS: portable ops) ? No, he had a fake leg.

Now this one his tricky, because he could be Skull face but he could also be the best soldier Big Boss had, I'm talking about Python :

https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Python

And finally Gene from MGS: portable ops.

https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Gene

He would be a fine candidate to be Skull face because in a way he had a small revenge to take (as in Big Boss destroyed his army) and that would answer why Skull face didn't kill big boss and instead took him for a long ride.

To resume it's either:

- The original Eva

- Python (Since his body can heat at some point he may have been burned just like skull face)

- Gene

Well the original EVA serve his purpose well here because we have no idea who he was, but Gene knew about Sokolov and he was the one that rescued him the first time (If I got that right).

What do you think ?
abcd Nov 18, 2019 @ 8:56pm 
well, it's not Python.

EVA lies about everything when it comes to herself, so lying that she was somebody's replacement makes more sense than her being some kind of emergency replacement who just happened to be in deep cover and appeared out of nowhere with a certain set of skills and knowledge she shouldn't have.

Gene's personality seems to be the best fit, which makes his interactions with Venom absolutely hilarious because he's probably the only person who genuinely doesn't know what's going on. Even Python and Venom figure it out. Huey knows, even. Probably why he shot him.
Holografix Nov 18, 2019 @ 10:12pm 
Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by Holografix:
Whooooooooo!!

I've listened to one of the truth tapes, and Zero said something about having a second team in MGS3...

To resume it's either:

- The original Eva

- Python (Since his body can heat at some point he may have been burned just like skull face)

- Gene

What do you think ?

If it is true that Skullface is any one of your options, it would mean Kojima embedded one of the best continuum writings in MGSV. Which would mean that Kojima is an excellent writer...

Kojima being an 'excellent writer' goes against the Deathraven13 canon, so Skullface CANNOT be any of your listed options. According to Deathraven13 canon, Kojima is a poor writer. This forever dooms Skullface's true identity to the realm of speculative fan-fiction.

Therefore Skullface is neither Eva, Python nor Gene.
Last edited by Holografix; Nov 18, 2019 @ 10:21pm
Lar Dass (Banned) Nov 19, 2019 @ 1:33am 
Skullface was a forced character shoehorned into the game with references to snake eater
Had he been a secondary villain with chico as the first would have been way better
abcd Nov 19, 2019 @ 3:26am 
Sigh, okay, maybe XOF's temporary CO is an Original Character.

How about some other candidates though.

1. Gene, since only psychics seem to be able to interface with the AI. He'd be using his powers of hypnosis to make the larger AI network do his bidding, opposed only by the Boss AI which was still loose at this time period.

The Network already exists by the time Venom wakes up, as evidenced by the various recordings of Zero which even go back to when he first met Paz. He's also using the English parasites as a trump card against the AI, since it's the only language it understands.

There's a play on Gene, genetics, and eugenics which involves Volgin's name as well. Gene was obsessed with identity and genetic superiority, and ethnic cleansers seem right up his alley.

He was very pro-AI though, and nothing about Skullface suggests he ever had a serious change of heart regarding that.

2. Hotcoldman, who claims to have masterminded the entire Virtuous Mission and Snake Eater operations but has been Zero's puppet all along. Also possibly Gene's shadowy benefactor, along with Zero who provided material support. He also kicks Huey down some stairs I guess? His motives, revenge against Zero, make the most sense overall, and visually he bears the most resemblance.

Doesn't make sense, since it's implied Ocelot is the real benefactor and one of the main XOF agents sent to assist Snake along with EVA. It's hard to imagine Hotcoldman doing fieldwork, either.

3. Ocelot in disguise.

4. literally just some nobody who copies everyone and wants them to suffer for his own lack of identity. original character, do not steal.

5. Volgin, whose sadistic personality seems in line with his methods of sexual torture. He's also the most-likely to have survived death, and his backstory is not entirely out of line with Skullface's. Whether intentional or not, he seems to provide quite a lot of support to Snake. Like leaving him with his medkit and radio, telling him about the Philosopher's Legacy, posting a single guard and intimidating him out of interacting. He's also the direct commander of the two XOF agents on the scene, and has a habit of killing anybody who knows anything.

Wears a bullet-belt of rifle ammunition, which matches his 'desperado' style. Pretty similar trenchcoat, too.

The lightning strike most likely caused his parasites to become electrical insulators, as the parasites adapt to whatever threatens the host, disabling his lightning powers but retaining his resistance to damage.

Originally posted by wiki:
His last name is a common Russian surname that derives from the Volga River, while his first name is the Slavic version of the name Eugene.

People named after rivers are often bastards, which may explain why he went from the oil factory to inheriting the Philosopher's Legacy.

Originally posted by wiki:
A leaked character model for the Fox Engine revealed a male character who resembled Colonel Volgin in appearance, who Kojima stated was a killed character. However, Kojima revealed in a Twitter post that the character was not Colonel Volgin.

Presumably, the Man on Fire is Python.
~⁧⁧kapacb Nov 19, 2019 @ 3:40am 
Nahh... Any of those are silly.
Deathraven13 Nov 19, 2019 @ 3:55am 
Originally posted by iP:
well, it's not Python.

EVA lies about everything when it comes to herself, so lying that she was somebody's replacement makes more sense than her being some kind of emergency replacement who just happened to be in deep cover and appeared out of nowhere with a certain set of skills and knowledge she shouldn't have.

Gene's personality seems to be the best fit, which makes his interactions with Venom absolutely hilarious because he's probably the only person who genuinely doesn't know what's going on. Even Python and Venom figure it out. Huey knows, even. Probably why he shot him.


Originally posted by Lar Dass:
Skullface was a forced character shoehorned into the game with references to snake eater
Had he been a secondary villain with chico as the first would have been way better

Well it's true that the new characters in TPP like code talker and Quiet are new and not very important for the MGS/MG story, plus we don't really know who was really EVA or if she lied, heck EVA could have been The Boss since they came from the same school and if EVA lied about the real EVA being a man, or EVA was Gene since he was the one that extracted Sokolov at some point.

Skull face is an important character in a way because he is supposed to be linked with Big Boss and Zero, Gene wanted to be like The Boss and wanted to see who would be her true successor, plus Big Boss destroyed his army so it could have been a small revenge for his man to what he did to MB, it's clear that he mostly did it to get revenge on Zero tho since Zero like Big Boss.

Now one thing that would link Skull face with Gene is that they are both about vocal, Gene could use his voice to sort of subdue people and Skull face want to use language to kill via parasites.

Since Gene in MGS: Portable ops reconize Big Boss as the true succeror of the Boss and give him a special item that contains a lot of ressources (Money, datas on soldiers, etc etc etc) it's possible that this is how Big Boss built MB again because we don't know how he founded MB again (unless in the MGS world you get a platform to become a PF along materials when you have like 10 soldiers.... or Kaz saved money), Gene being Skull face would also explain why he didn't shot Big Boss on sight and took him for a ride. Because when you think about it Skull face is badly written as a villain, but if he was gene (who is a well written villain in the MG world) that would explain a lot, because Skull face and Venom are both phantoms in a way, heck you don't even fight Skull face for some reason (well sure there is not a lot of boss fight in TPP....) and I don't count execution as a boss fight.

Now about the end of Skull face there is a spoiler of MGS:PW ending and TPP so I'll mark it as spoiler:

If you don't shoot Skull face Miller will do it along with you, wich would be strange when you see that Big Boss remain silent when Kaz say that they will fight the world together after admitting he lied to Big Boss, and if you have played TPP you know that Big Boss dump Kaz meaning he is also a phantom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YefmWA_exss

So who really want revenge against Skull face ? Kaz.
Who really want revenge against Zero in this game ? Skull face.
Venom does not really want revenge against Skull face or anyone aside maybe Huey, because he saved Quiet who tried to kill him and didn't took revenge, because he his not a demon yet nor a phantom. In fact when you see Venom face it's clear he didn't really wanted to kill skull face and it's actually Huey who finish him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsvUZPlCop8


Big Boss and Gene had the same vision, but then Skull face want to destroy the world in a way, why ? Well since Zero betrayed Skull face for Big Boss and Zero want to control the world in a way is revenge would be to destroy Big Boss vision along the world Zero want, but Skull face don't want to kill Big Boss even if that would hurt Zero in a way, that would explain why if he was Gene and that would explain the whole FOX/XOF part. I'll quote something that somehow prove this point:

"In 1970, Gene subverted Major Zero's authority over the FOX Unit and established his own. Accompanied by Lt. Cunningham, Python, Elisa, Ursula, and the child soldier Null, Gene led the takeover of a secret Soviet missile base on the San Hieronymo Peninsula, Colombia, and planned to use the CIA's new Metal Gear weapon to establish a new nation, known as Army's Heaven."

Army's heaven, Outer heaven, see that show Gene and Big Boss had the same vision, and then you have Skull face with XOF (wich mean FOX in reverse of course) and Venom with Diamond dogs (Dogs because they are dogs of war and dogs usually have a master).

So if at some point we were supposed to know who Skull face was I'll say he was Gene because he fit perfectly.

Gene was called Viper, and we have Venom Snake, kinda the same right ?

Now the next part is not very related to Skull face but it could be sort of important for MGS5:TPP so TPP and Portable ops spoilers ahead:

Remember the mission where you shoot your infected staff ? Well check this video and tell me what you think about all this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKGQtjLI-nE

RIP Jonathan, you could have been Big Boss phantom.


Kaneko Nov 19, 2019 @ 5:57am 
Hi guys, my thoughts on Skull...

He is the clean-up guy to BB in MGS3 (so basically a guy as skilled as Naked Snake, that did all the dirty work of covering the traces and evidence)

There's that pic of Para-Medic carrying a man on a wheelchair that could be a young Skullface, probably when he was training recovering as an asset to Zero, maybe a pre Venom kind of training.

Outside of the box I think Kojima needed a faceless villain for his GZ trailer, so we could hype who he was for months... just marketing and cheap writing I must say.

Skullface was for me that middle threat they always put in games and movies the one you think is the bad guy and ends working with you for some reason.

He actually was if you count King of the Flies as part of the game, he is nothing more than an unfinished story arc in both cases.

He could be Zero's underdog awesome story, the inside man that shared all the secrets... basically what Kaz never gave us.

Venom is just an excuse for us to participate in this story, Skullface has no grudge with Venom, in fact Ocelot and Kaz are the ones commanded to eliminate him.

Just some points I got playing and reading some stuff, not the most juiciest of characters, great start on GZ, he really had something to say and really has a plan that is executed perfectly and gave the perfect introduction to TPP, after that not much, one could say that was his only work get us from A to B.
[ACPL] Jon Nov 19, 2019 @ 6:34am 
I don't know the canon well enough, but I think "original" EVA theory doesn't outrule the others?
Kaneko Nov 19, 2019 @ 6:48am 
Originally posted by ACPL Jon:
I don't know the canon well enough, but I think "original" EVA theory doesn't outrule the others?
Agree, in fact, a good way for EVA to get to Snake is to track down the man that is supposed to track every move he makes, Skullface in this case as he's the clean up guy, neutralize him and take it's place.
Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by Holografix:
Whooooooooo!!

I've listened to one of the truth tapes, and Zero said something about having a second team in MGS3, now if you have played MGS3 and saw the ending EVA tell you that she wasn't really EVA, he was supposed to be a man but he never came for some odd reasons,

EVA was a Chinese spy double crossing both the Americans and the Russians, right? She met up with Snake and probably ended up killing the original "EVA". The sign she wasn't involved with FOX at all is that she could never answer Snake asking her 'Who are the Patriots?' during their first meeting.
Kaneko Nov 19, 2019 @ 7:12pm 
Originally posted by 4skin Gamer:
Originally posted by Deathraven13:

I've listened to one of the truth tapes, and Zero said something about having a second team in MGS3, now if you have played MGS3 and saw the ending EVA tell you that she wasn't really EVA, he was supposed to be a man but he never came for some odd reasons,

EVA was a Chinese spy double crossing both the Americans and the Russians, right? She met up with Snake and probably ended up killing the original "EVA". The sign she wasn't involved with FOX at all is that she could never answer Snake asking her 'Who are the Patriots?' during their first meeting.
That's where the theory stands... that the original EVA that got killed is Skullface.

Please keep the truth bombs handled we are just having fun with the lore :)
abcd Nov 19, 2019 @ 8:14pm 
Volgin's facial scars could have come from an oil refinery burn. Painless black scarring is one of the possible effects of a fourth-degree burn. He also had vague dreams of a soldier's paradise, though it was more like a soldier's hell.

Comparing his motivations with Gene is difficult, as they are similar characters. It seems like Gene is more in the 'chaos and bloodshed' camp than him, which fits what Skullface is trying to do overall. Volgin admires people who abuse their subordinates though, such as Raikov, so it's not really out of character for him either.

I also thought Gene not only rescued Sokolov after the end of 3, but also didn't join Fox until afterwards. So there's not any particular reason for him to have been in the area.

Guess I'll have to do more research though.

There is also the possibility that Skullface has always looked this way, owing to the oil, and that he's the EVA who never showed up. This doesn't really sit right with me, as he explicitly claims he was there to support Snake throughout both missions.

EVA's reluctance to name the La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo is not that surprising, as Boss only tells Snake 'The Truth' once the mission is done and one of them is about to die. Similar to Ocelot's speech at the end of 4.
JasonBourne Nov 28, 2019 @ 1:22pm 
Skull Face identity is Tretij Rebenok.His name is on the intro credits of Hellbound.
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