What exactly happened between MGSV ending and Outer Heaven?

[Diamond Girls]

Where Operation Intrude n313 was commenced. I cant' find any reliable source of story on what happened, how Venom end up being the supreme commander of Outer Heaven.

[Lar Dass]

Well its implied that after he received the big boss tape, he realised that he was the decoy of bb and was likely contacted again by bb telling him what to do. Likely that bb visited ahab multiple times after the end of tpp for many years training him further. Venom know that there was nothing he could do and had to follow bbs orders since that was his main purpose

[Holografix]

- Venom receives the Operation Intrude n3___ cassette (we don't even see the last 2 numbers).
- The machine we hear is an MSX2 computer, the machine the original Metal Gear (MSX2 1987) game was made for.
- Demon Snake breaks the mirror and Venom Snake walks into the smoke...

If you have The Legacy Collection for Ps3 you can play Metal Gear (MX2 1987) which features the Operation Intrude N313 mission. You play as Solid Snake, where he needs to rescue Gray Fox from the fortress of Outer Heaven.
- Note that Solid Snake is sent to rescue Gray Fox who was captured. Presumably, Gray Fox's mission was Operation Intrude N312.

Everything between these 2 canon plot points is pure speculation.

[SE[7]EN]

the story of mgsv is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up even kojima doesnt know whats going on
dont take it as cannon how solid snake didnt know real big boss?arent the real one trained him?how the hell solid snake didnt notice a big horn on big boss out of no where? xD
who the hell rescued gray fox?! real boss or venom?
why its so stupid in the begining arent zero and ocelot wanna protect real boss from getting hurt? if so then who the hell idea was to send the man to rescue venom from the hostpital xD
and if infact real boss is ishmael in the hospital how the hell he is too weak and cant even cqc quiet(just note in that time quiet wasnt a super sniper too and venom beat her in cqc is her super sniper form ....)
and where exactly did real big boss go after the hospital?!
there are 100 maybe 1000s more questions that i cant remember because i didnt play this mess for a year now
kojima f**** up the story just how f***** up his new game xD

[SE[7]EN]

oh another thing where the hell did diamond dogs go?! a big base in the sea just vanished? there is no mention of them in any other game ....
and in operation intrude big boss send solid to rescue gray fox but its a trap for solid to die and when big boss sees how good is solid he reveals himself to be the real leader of outer heaven
now explain to me who sent solid in outer heaven?! and who the hell did fight him xD
if a logical person want to make a body double dont you think he would peak a healthy man not someone who doesnt have a hand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horn in his head?! and how the hell these 2 (venom and boss) have the same voice?! how did no one ask him hey man when did u lost ur ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hand?where did u get that horn?! the whole story is so stupid ......

[Holografix]

Originally posted by SE7EN:

the story of mgsv is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up even kojima doesnt know whats going on.... 1000s more questions that i cant remember because i didnt play this mess for a year now

Originally posted by SE7EN:

the whole story is so stupid ......

why are you still here?
just to suffer?

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by SE7EN:

oh another thing where the hell did diamond dogs go?! a big base in the sea just vanished? there is no mention of them in any other game ....
and in operation intrude big boss send solid to rescue gray fox but its a trap for solid to die and when big boss sees how good is solid he reveals himself to be the real leader of outer heaven
now explain to me who sent solid in outer heaven?! and who the hell did fight him xD
if a logical person want to make a body double dont you think he would peak a healthy man not someone who doesnt have a hand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horn in his head?! and how the hell these 2 (venom and boss) have the same voice?! how did no one ask him hey man when did u lost ur ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hand?where did u get that horn?! the whole story is so stupid ......

Don't take the story seriously.
Kojima never cared about writing a consistent story which is why he always retconned previous Metal Gear games.

Imo he should have made every Metal Gear Solid sequel set in a different world than previous games. So he wouldn't have to worry about making it somehow compatible with previous games.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by SE7EN:

oh another thing where the hell did diamond dogs go?! a big base in the sea just vanished? there is no mention of them in any other game ....
and in operation intrude big boss send solid to rescue gray fox but its a trap for solid to die and when big boss sees how good is solid he reveals himself to be the real leader of outer heaven
now explain to me who sent solid in outer heaven?! and who the hell did fight him xD
if a logical person want to make a body double dont you think he would peak a healthy man not someone who doesnt have a hand a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ horn in his head?! and how the hell these 2 (venom and boss) have the same voice?! how did no one ask him hey man when did u lost ur ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hand?where did u get that horn?! the whole story is so stupid ......

Don't take the story seriously.
Kojima never cared about writing a consistent story which is why he always retconned previous Metal Gear games.

Imo he should have made every Metal Gear Solid sequel set in a different world than previous games. So he wouldn't have to worry about making it somehow compatible with previous games.

seriously or not, i think the whole Metal Gear Solid saga (1987-2015) actually makes sense and is one of the greatest narratives in video game history. the story is a little convoluted, but it can be made sense of.

i can acutally answer all of sev7en's questions but i am so tired of explaining the games over and over again (especially in this thread) that i refuse to do it. their understanding of it is their understanding of it, no big deal.

[Diamond Girls]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Don't take the story seriously.
Kojima never cared about writing a consistent story which is why he always retconned previous Metal Gear games.

Imo he should have made every Metal Gear Solid sequel set in a different world than previous games. So he wouldn't have to worry about making it somehow compatible with previous games.

seriously or not, i think the whole Metal Gear Solid saga (1987-2015) actually makes sense and is one of the greatest narratives in video game history. the story is a little convoluted, but it can be made sense of.

i can acutally answer all of sev7en's questions but i am so tired of explaining the games over and over again (especially in this thread) that i refuse to do it. their understanding of it is their understanding of it, no big deal.

What really bugs me is how the hell Solid Snake didn't recognize the sharpnel of Venom Snake in Outer Heaven.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by Outer Heaven 3:

What really bugs me is how the hell Solid Snake didn't recognize the sharpnel of Venom Snake in Outer Heaven.

The power of retcons !

[~⁧⁧kapacb]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by Outer Heaven 3:

What really bugs me is how the hell Solid Snake didn't recognize the sharpnel of Venom Snake in Outer Heaven.

The power of retcons !

Well you can switch Naked Snake and Venom places, it wouldn't hurt plot (as much as i cant tell... maybe wrong) so it will make a lit sense, that after explosion BB appeared with shrapnel and without hand.

But the whole think was created before Venom idea, so in MG1 and MG2 there is no Venom, he was added in MGSV.

[dprog1995]

Originally posted by kapacb:

Originally posted by dprog1995:

The power of retcons !

Well you can switch Naked Snake and Venom places, it wouldn't hurt plot (as much as i cant tell... maybe wrong) so it will make a lit sense, that after explosion BB appeared with shrapnel and without hand.

But the whole think was created before Venom idea, so in MG1 and MG2 there is no Venom, he was added in MGSV.

I have played Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake once and I remember that in that game Big Boss explains to Solid Snake that how he managed to Survive the explosion of the previous game.
So Venom was just created to retcon a plot point that was already explained.

Kinda funny that the whole MGS 1 plot has this issue that in MG 2:SS(MSX version) big boss never told Snake that he was his father but it was just added to the story.

MGS as whole has a inconsistent storyline. I still stand to my point that Kojima shouldn't have made the games connected.(Each time he should have made them with completely different characters.)

[Holografix]

Originally posted by Outer Heaven 3:

Originally posted by Holografix:

seriously or not, i think the whole Metal Gear Solid saga (1987-2015) actually makes sense and is one of the greatest narratives in video game history. the story is a little convoluted, but it can be made sense of.

i can acutally answer all of sev7en's questions but i am so tired of explaining the games over and over again (especially in this thread) that i refuse to do it. their understanding of it is their understanding of it, no big deal.

What really bugs me is how the hell Solid Snake didn't recognize the sharpnel of Venom Snake in Outer Heaven.

Solid Snake's mission in Metal Gear (MSX2) is to rescue Gray Fox and to retrieve false information from Outer Heaven. The false information is that Metal Gear's Big Boss looks like Naked Snake or, in other words, Big Boss does not have a body double. The false information in Metal Gear is the boss battle optics. The truth is that Metal Gear's Big Boss was the phantom, but Solid Snake's perspective doesn't reveal that. Solid Snake's perspective only reveals that there are 2 Big Bosses, 1 in Metal Gear (MSX2) and another in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. We as players don't realize the *truth* of the Metal Gear Solid saga until Phantom Pain. It's a triple perspective shift.
1st perspective: Solid's false visuals represented by the final boss battle in Metal Gear (MSX2)
2nd perspective: Venom's hypnogogiac perspective in the Phantom Pain
3rd perspective: The player's perspective after playing BOTH characters.

[~⁧⁧kapacb]

Originally posted by dprog1995:

Originally posted by kapacb:

Well you can switch Naked Snake and Venom places, it wouldn't hurt plot (as much as i cant tell... maybe wrong) so it will make a lit sense, that after explosion BB appeared with shrapnel and without hand.

But the whole think was created before Venom idea, so in MG1 and MG2 there is no Venom, he was added in MGSV.

I have played Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake once and I remember that in that game Big Boss explains to Solid Snake that how he managed to Survive the explosion of the previous game.
So Venom was just created to retcon a plot point that was already explained.

Kinda funny that the whole MGS 1 plot has this issue that in MG 2:SS(MSX version) big boss never told Snake that he was his father but it was just added to the story.

MGS as whole has a inconsistent storyline. I still stand to my point that Kojima shouldn't have made the games connected.(Each time he should have made them with completely different characters.)

nah.. totally wrong.
1)maybe konami forced him
2)i still like how drama turned out around venom snake

Agree with Holographix