Big Boss or Solid snake

[Cyber Diver]

Big Boss
Definetly Big Boss

[Nara]

Neither. Big Boss used his best soldier as an unwitting tool to help perpetuate eternal war and Solid Snake was custom made to be superior while also being pumped full of nanomachines.
Venom only had his own damn self to thank, and those who fought on his side, and he never used them as tools.

[Seamus]

Solid Snake wasn't "pumped full of nanomachines" until MGS4. Go play the damn games already.

[Quincy Jones]

Publicado originalmente por SWEDr Brobotnik:

Neither. Big Boss used his best soldier as an unwitting tool to help perpetuate eternal war and Solid Snake was custom made to be superior while also being pumped full of nanomachines.
Venom only had his own damn self to thank, and those who fought on his side, and he never used them as tools.

Solid Snake WAS the unwitting tool. The nanomachines were severely limiting at times 'La Lu Le Lo' and the siezures later.

Big Boss didnt make 'his best soldier an unwitting tool' Big Boss was in a COMA while all that was happening. That was a decision made by Ocelot (and maybe EVA), most likely, as he's a master at that sort of thing, being the spy he is.


SS always seemed kind of stupid, intelligence-wise, compared to BB who had a supossed IQ over 140 IIRC. SS never seemed like someone with an IQ that high, personally, but it may be due to his education, since he was created as a soldier, he may not have the same outside world knowledge that BB has, making SS seem a bit more infantile in comparison.

[Seamus]

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Neither. Big Boss used his best soldier as an unwitting tool to help perpetuate eternal war and Solid Snake was custom made to be superior while also being pumped full of nanomachines.
Venom only had his own damn self to thank, and those who fought on his side, and he never used them as tools.

Solid Snake WAS the unwitting tool. The nanomachines were severely limiting at times 'La Lu Le Lo' and the siezures later.

Big Boss didnt make 'his best soldier an unwitting tool' Big Boss was in a COMA while all that was happening. That was a decision made by Ocelot (and maybe EVA), most likely, as he's a master at that sort of thing, being the spy he is.


SS always seemed kind of stupid, intelligence-wise, compared to BB who had a supossed IQ over 140 IIRC. SS never seemed like someone with an IQ that high, personally, but it may be due to his education, since he was created as a soldier, he may not have the same outside world knowledge that BB has, making SS seem a bit more infantile in comparison.

Solid does as well as he does because he got the tactical bit of Big Boss's brain in the cloning process. It's essentially canon that other than looking like a young Big Boss, he's the least physically close. Probably due to Kojima not understanding dominant vs recessive genes in MGS1.

[Viktor]

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[Nara]

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Actually,
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Venom Snake.

He didn't have the genes of "the greatest soldier who ever lived". He wasn't trained up for his whole life to fight. He was just a medic. And by the end, he probably becomes the true greatest soldier who ever lived in the MGS saga.

Indeed, he merely had the memories and experiences. But Big Boss himself says that Venom was his best soldier. Soldiers are supposed to have basic first aid knowledge anyways, a combat medic is simply somebody who chose to focus more on medical knowledge than combat training.
Officially. It's obvious that Venom took his combat training very seriously, and nobody says you can't get damn good in a fight just because you chose to save rather than destroy.
But I agree with you that at the end, he is what Big Boss wanted to be. He probably knew that too.

[Lethal Placebo]

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Solid does as well as he does because he got the tactical bit of Big Boss's brain in the cloning process. It's essentially canon that other than looking like a young Big Boss, he's the least physically close. Probably due to Kojima not understanding dominant vs recessive genes in MGS1.

Yeah, this is probably the one part of the writing in MGS1 that doesn't stand up well. Recessive gene doesn't mean bad gene.

Anyway, I'm not sure what the OP is actually asking lol. Like, who would win or who do I prefer? If it's who would win...well, that's obvious. As for who I prefer more...eh, either. Big Boss has a bit more of a "likable" personality to him, but Solid Snake still has tons of great moments.

[Viktor]

Publicado originalmente por SWEDr Brobotnik:

...and nobody says you can't get damn good in a fight just because you chose to save rather than destroy.

Desmond Doss would like to speak with you. If he lived, that is.

[AGA | prinnyuber]

I would say Solid Snake. If you noticed the transitions of each metal gear game, its always the next generation that will always beat the old and experience veterans such as Naked Snake/Venom Snake/Big Boss.

Also,

David Hayter>Keifer Sutherland.

[SandSnake]

Publicado originalmente por prinnyuber:

I would say Solid Snake. If you noticed the transitions of each metal gear game, its always the next generation that will always beat the old and experience veterans such as Naked Snake/Venom Snake/Big Boss.

Also,

David Hayter>Keifer Sutherland.

David hayter was good as solid snake and big boss but only in MGS3.
Sutherland is MUCH better at being Big Boss overall than Hayter and this is coming from someone who was originally dissapointed by Hayters departure. Hayter sounds like he has throat cancer as Big Boss, whereas Sutherland sounds like a badass. Hayter sounded too cheesy for my liking as Big Boss whereas Sutherland felt grizzly and dangerous.... just like Big Boss. Hayter was fantastic as Solid however as Big Boss he felt awkward, especially in PW. Sutherland sounds more human and more torn apart which is what Big Boss is supposed to be, Hayter(as Big Boss) sounded very awkward and did a mediocre at best job.

[twenty1aboutdis]

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I would say Solid Snake. If you noticed the transitions of each metal gear game, its always the next generation that will always beat the old and experience veterans such as Naked Snake/Venom Snake/Big Boss.

Also,

David Hayter>Keifer Sutherland.

David hayter was good as solid snake and big boss but only in MGS3.
Sutherland is MUCH better at being Big Boss overall than Hayter and this is coming from someone who was originally dissapointed by Hayters departure. Hayter sounds like he has throat cancer as Big Boss, whereas Sutherland sounds like a badass. Hayter sounded too cheesy for my liking as Big Boss whereas Sutherland felt grizzly and dangerous.... just like Big Boss. Hayter was fantastic as Solid however as Big Boss he felt awkward, especially in PW. Sutherland sounds more human and more torn apart which is what Big Boss is supposed to be, Hayter(as Big Boss) sounded very awkward and did a mediocre at best job.

This. So. Much.

Sutherland > Hayter.

[eroo]

Publicado originalmente por twenty1aboutdis:

Publicado originalmente por The Fiddler:

David hayter was good as solid snake and big boss but only in MGS3.
Sutherland is MUCH better at being Big Boss overall than Hayter and this is coming from someone who was originally dissapointed by Hayters departure. Hayter sounds like he has throat cancer as Big Boss, whereas Sutherland sounds like a badass. Hayter sounded too cheesy for my liking as Big Boss whereas Sutherland felt grizzly and dangerous.... just like Big Boss. Hayter was fantastic as Solid however as Big Boss he felt awkward, especially in PW. Sutherland sounds more human and more torn apart which is what Big Boss is supposed to be, Hayter(as Big Boss) sounded very awkward and did a mediocre at best job.

This. So. Much.

Sutherland > Hayter.

Sutherland barely ever talked LOL

[SandSnake]

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Publicado originalmente por twenty1aboutdis:

This. So. Much.

Sutherland > Hayter.

Sutherland barely ever talked LOL

1. Have you even listened to the cassette tapes? He talks a lot in them.
2. He may not speak as much as David however that is besides the point, he does a far better job than Hayter did as Big Boss.

[MADG]

Publicado originalmente por Engineer Garin:

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1. Have you even listened to the cassette tapes? He talks a lot in them.

100% tape completion rate. He talks very rarely, and if he does, he doesn't actually talk that much. Most tapes are either monologues (parasitesss, diné) or dialogues between two different characters, neither of which are Big Boss. He does have a few tapes where talks quite a bit (especially the final tape where Big Boss talks to Ocelot), but they're very few and far in-between.

I think Ishmael has more lines in the prologue than Ahab does in all the cutscenes in the game combined.

To be fair, Snake is usually the one listening, while occasionally reacting and commenting on what he hears.

He does speak a lot less in MGSV though, in the tapes, which I think are supposed to be like codec talks but they intended to make em optional, majority of the tapes have someone explaining things without the participation of Snake.

[SandSnake]

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To be fair, Snake is usually the one listening to the explanations, while occasionally reacting and commenting on what he hears.

He does speak a lot less in MGSV though, in the tapes, which I think are supposed to be like codec talks but they intended to make em optional, majority of the tapes have someone explaining things without the participation of Snake in them.

I liked that. Snake had a certain charm in the previous games, but I'd much rather the protagonist shut up every now and then.

Either way whenever Sutherland did speak he executed the lines perfectly. Especially the ashes scene.