Was the Shagohod the first metal gear?

[Uncle Jon]

Isn't metal gear supposed to be a bipedal robot? I think I heard someone call Shagohod the first metal gear. I thought the Shagohod was a robot that led to the eventual creation of metal gear?

[Lar Dass]

Yeah the shagohod was more of a tank but still had the element of nuclear destruction. the original metal gear in mg1 was the TX-55 Metal Gear which was the walking one. however i would say that the shagohod inspired MGs like the peace walker and sahelanthropus, but it technically wasnt a metal gear

[bjwise82]

It might be best thought of as a precursor to the Metal Gear concept, kind of like how early attempts at creating flying machines were designed to flap their wings like birds, which didn't work out. The Shagohod's purpose was to be an all-terrain vehicle that could launch nuclear missiles great distances. Peace Walker was along the same lines, but Zeke was the first true Metal Gear.

[R!SK]

Shagohod isn't considered a Metal Gear but yeah it's the first one.

[DR. JOHN DEJAVU 1984]

Publicado originalmente por Darunia:

Isn't metal gear supposed to be a bipedal robot? I think I heard someone call Shagohod the first metal gear. I thought the Shagohod was a robot that led to the eventual creation of metal gear?

It's a predecessor to the family of Metal Gears. It had the idea of Nuclear destruction as "Lar Dass" says.

It was one of the Russian Immigrant scientist(Sokolavh)'s ideas who escaped to America during the Cold War but was sent back for payment from Russia from what I know. The Shagohad wasn't really a Metal Gear and more of a super Fast tank that uses it's velocity to launch a Nuke (if that makes sense). When it was used, it was still under construction and a different scientist who had the idea of making the metal gear, with it's original models and blueprints was abused and downed upon before being killed by Volgin. His ideas were stolen' if Im not wrong by the US and then it branched off from there, but they had nothing in common. One is a tank, one is a Metal Gear.

Conclusion: Not the first Metal Gear but maybe a different version of it?

[Ciaran Zagami]

The definition of a Metal Gear is bipedal, human driven and nuclear equipped.

The first truely bipedal Metal Gear is seen in Metal Gear on the super Famicom

Some will sake ZEKE counts but ZEKE was never meant to fire nukes so it doesn't count, peace walker is not bipedal of human driven so it doesn't count either. In fact RAY doesn't count either cause it has no built in nuclear payload and is (with 3 exceptions) automated.

[Uncle Jon]

Publicado originalmente por Ciaran Zagami:

The definition of a Metal Gear is bipedal, human driven and nuclear equipped.

The first truely bipedal Metal Gear is seen in Metal Gear on the super Famicom

Some will sake ZEKE counts but ZEKE was never meant to fire nukes so it doesn't count, peace walker is not bipedal of human driven so it doesn't count either. In fact RAY doesn't count either cause it has no built in nuclear payload and is (with 3 exceptions) automated.

You mean MSX not Super Famicom?

[TheOrangeBox]

Publicado originalmente por R!SK:

Shagohod isn't considered a Metal Gear but yeah it's the first one. :gearthumbsup:

The first one that John has to battle - but the first Metal Gear is the one created in Outer Heaven under Big Boss, an all-terrain nuclear-equipped walking battle tank "TX-55 Metal Gear"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz2ZcYql7nM

[Orrin]

Shagohod is only superficially related to the bipedal weapons that would come after it. Vulgin was looking for a scientist who could design a mobile nuclear platform, and given the choice between an experimental mech (Granin) and an all-terrain tank with generations of proof behind its design (Sokolov), he went with the more practical option.

According to the cutscene with Granin (chronologically the first engineer we know in the series to have designed a bipedal vehicle) in MGS3, the term "metal gear" is meant to refer to the idea that a bipedal machine is sort of the missing link between humans and weapons. Think of a gear in a machine that links two functions together and that's kind of the philosophy behind the name.

It clearly isn't necessary that a Metal Gear have nuclear capabilities, as we have several examples of weapons bearing the moniker without it such as RAY.

The first one ever called Metal Gear is Huey Emmerich's Metal Gear Zeke in Peace Walker. Huey was a friend of Granin and they shared many common interests. Peace Walker itself, also made in part by Huey, was not bipedal but linked itself to humanity in a different way by housing a complex AI capable of independent thought (or an approximation thereof). You can find a remnant of that AI in Phantom Pain in the same place you first meet Huey.

[Uncle Jon]

Does a Metal Gear require a human pilot similar to a mech or can it control itself like a robot? I can't remember seeing Metal Gears without humans inside them.

[Lar Dass]

Publicado originalmente por Darunia:

Does a Metal Gear require a human pilot similar to a mech or can it control itself like a robot? I can't remember seeing Metal Gears without humans inside them.

well sahelanthropus didnt have a human, now technically it was controlled by baby mantis and did have a human controlled cockpit but it was too small that huey that tried to put hal in it. i think a metal gear can be controlled by AI similar to peace walker

[Krona🥶]

no

[Krona🥶]

What part of shagohod appears bipedal to you? The first metal gear prototype was metal gear RAXA from portable ops, the first proper metal gear being ZEKE created by Huey.