METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Lord English Nov 12, 2018 @ 11:33am
So, Dr. Huey Emmerich...
...an all-round scumbag or a victim of an unfortunate series of events? Is there any hard evidence that he purposely caused all of the incidents he was blamed and exiled for?

Personally, I can't stand him. He comes across as a self-rightous, close-minded weasel, desperate to lick the boots of whomever he has chosen to serve or been captured by with zero consideration for loyalty.

What do you think?
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Deathraven13 Nov 13, 2018 @ 12:04pm 
Originally posted by Lord English:
...an all-round scumbag or a victim of an unfortunate series of events? Is there any hard evidence that he purposely caused all of the incidents he was blamed and exiled for?

Personally, I can't stand him. He comes across as a self-rightous, close-minded weasel, desperate to lick the boots of whomever he has chosen to serve or been captured by with zero consideration for loyalty.

What do you think?

Huey is a scientist, not a soldier.

So having a nuke at base doesn't seem like a good idea and the world would have called them terrorists holding a nuke, even Miller should have known about that but this is the work of bad writting here.
Killing infected people doesn't seem like a good idea since he might have been able to save them. So Huey was trying to help Big Boss and unfortunatly he got played like everyone.

People forget that when you play as the fake Big Boss you are still a soldier and so you see the story just like a soldier, while Huey is just a scientist so you won't see him rush into a battlefield like Rambo, instead you'll see him doing some research in a safe place with science posters on the wall and a Dakimakura of Big Boss.

So all this time Huey was the sane one until he lost it and killed Loveless, remember that in the end he has as much courage as a civilian spreading lies on a game they hate because everyone do it, so don't expect him to withstand Volgin torture just so he can remain loyal to Big Boss.
xandros999 Nov 13, 2018 @ 12:08pm 
There's an awful lot of smoking guns that Huey just happened to be holding. Him killing Skullface goes to show him actually pulling the trigger. This is an exposition of his MO. He kills Skullface like he killed Motherbase. It's all about his narrative. He's the real hero of this story.
Deathraven13 Nov 13, 2018 @ 12:11pm 
Originally posted by Tankfriend:
Originally posted by Lord English:
Especially when Snake has to put down his people within the Quarentine platform.
I never understood the reason they put that into the game, either. Whatever you think about Huey's character, he couldn't have possibly been so dense as to blame Venom in that situation. It was either shoot the infected, or risk a parasite pandemic that might've caused an untold number of additional deaths, far beyond the number of infected on Mother Base.

The only twisted way I could come up with would be that Huey wanted a grand opening on the stage when he showed his parasite cure to the devastated world. But that's way past any things I'd suspect him of doing.

It's a reference to the butterfly Big Boss used to catch with his left hand, since the fake Big Boss knows about the real Big Boss habit he knows he won't sense the butterfly anymore.

https://youtu.be/ruCG5m_zYYE?t=1092
Crikasaur Nov 13, 2018 @ 3:46pm 
Originally posted by 󠀡Ni-K-Sha:
I don't feel right about hating Huey,
I watched my elder brother play MGS2 when I was still in school and those fight scenes between Emma and Hal.
Then the revelation of their childhood which at the time I thought was just something for movie fans. Till we met Huey and then you actually get to grip how bad things turned out for that entire family.
I'd say it's even worse than Big Boss's story.
https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Emma_Emmerich

You can probably find vids on it on youtube. But Peacewalker put some things into detail, it's one big sad story.

Totally agree there Ni. His story feels so. Sad to me.

I mean to me this is how I see it.

He joins Big Boss and mother base partly out of gratitude and partly because he thinks they can bring peace.
Then they start doing some shady things (the nuke). He sees the nuke is gunna be an issue and isn't a very good guy thing to say. I picture he was hoping for something like Philanthropy(Hal's and Solid's organization).
So when the inspection came around I imagine he saw it as a chance to save Snake and the gang from themselves.
Remember guys Big Boss and Venom are not the good guy in the story of Metal Gear.
So he lets them onto motherbase but then it turns out it's a cipher attack.
I imagine Skull Face wouldn't be dumb enough to get rid of a guy like emmerick. Despite opinions he is an amazing scientist.
Then when we get to his service with Skull face I picture him in constant fear. He's afraid of Skull Face. Sure he may be a bit cowardly but what would you do in a sitution like him? So his fear leads him to irrational thinking. Hence the thing with Hal and Sathlrapeos. Forgive me names hard to spell.
Anyways then I do picture he did kill strange love. Mostly out of fear and desperation. Most likely on accident.
Let's not forget that Strange ain't too innocent here either.
Her whole purpose for marrying Huey was just to make the perfect child for her wanna be lesbian lover lady friend the Boss. Hal was meant to be the perfect reincarnation of the Boss. Or something like that.
Then he gets rescued by Venom and from there he's treated with nothing but hostility.
They take their anger out on Hal. Yes he is partly to blame for the MB incident but so is Snake, and Miller (and ocelot?). As he stated they can't just do whatever they want.
They blame him for every incident that comes. With minimum evidence.
Also Venom, Ocelot, and Miller are far from innocent themselves. Plus they all wanted to lynch the dude. So Venom pulls the best decision I think he makes in the entire game. He votes him off the island. He also gives him supplies to last.

So here Huey is being hated and banished by his only 'friends'.

Then into the future he finds love with someone. Then he finds out that she's cheating on him with HIS SON. Like that sucks.

Anyways y'all probs know the rest I gtg. Sorry if I was scattered. My phones low on battery and typing in my lunch break
Tankfriend Nov 13, 2018 @ 4:23pm 
Originally posted by Deathraven13:
Originally posted by Tankfriend:
I never understood the reason they put that into the game, either. Whatever you think about Huey's character, he couldn't have possibly been so dense as to blame Venom in that situation. It was either shoot the infected, or risk a parasite pandemic that might've caused an untold number of additional deaths, far beyond the number of infected on Mother Base.

The only twisted way I could come up with would be that Huey wanted a grand opening on the stage when he showed his parasite cure to the devastated world. But that's way past any things I'd suspect him of doing.

It's a reference to the butterfly Big Boss used to catch with his left hand, since the fake Big Boss knows about the real Big Boss habit he knows he won't sense the butterfly anymore.

https://youtu.be/ruCG5m_zYYE?t=1092
Did you answer to the wrong post? I don't see how my post and your post are related... ?
Lord English Nov 14, 2018 @ 12:01pm 
@Crikasaur

How can you claim that Venom and Big Boss aren't the good guys? In fact, the term 'good guy' is far too polarizing. There are shades of grey between the light ("good) and dark ("bad") sides.

Naked Snake was definitely more good than bad throughtout the storyline of MGS3 and become decidely more grey because of the revelations at the end of it. He shifted more towards the grey throughout PW too but he definitely can't be considered a 'bad guy'. Throughout PP we have little clue what BB is actually doing other than creating Outer Haven and, as far as I can tell, we don't know what led him to become the 'big bad' of the 2D games. The guy has being ♥♥♥♥ on from his government, his friends and even his family (blood or otherwise).

As for Venom Snake, I don't see how you can call him 'bad' at all. The guy was thrust into a situation he had no real understanding of, moderated and controlled the actions of everyone under him, including his XO and Ocelot, and sacrificed part of himself for his men (the quarentine incident).

I would like to know why exactly you think they're so bad. Wanting a nuke so they wouldn't be roflstomped by the rest of the world is hardly evil.
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Deathraven13 Nov 14, 2018 @ 4:20pm 
Originally posted by Tankfriend:
Originally posted by Deathraven13:

It's a reference to the butterfly Big Boss used to catch with his left hand, since the fake Big Boss knows about the real Big Boss habit he knows he won't sense the butterfly anymore.

https://youtu.be/ruCG5m_zYYE?t=1092
Did you answer to the wrong post? I don't see how my post and your post are related... ?

No, that's weird, the comment was about Venom Snake saying he feel the tip of his left hand hurt.

No idea where that comment went so I can't change it but that's the context, please forgive this weird mistake.
Crikasaur Nov 19, 2018 @ 6:16pm 
Hey! Lord English. Sorry I haven't replied. Wanted to give you a good responce. So I've been doing my research and making sure I grab right resources. N have my facts straight.

But anyways what I meant by 'bad guys' was not their alignment, but the role of antagonists in the Metal Gear series and the somewhat in the Solid Snake MGS's.

Anyways, your statement on them got me thinking and I'm working on a character analysis on Big Boss (Naked). So far though my opinion on him has shifted a little. I'm seeing him more as an Anakin Skywalker type of character/story. Anyways though. I am going to stay nuetral on the analysis. There will be a second half though that will be my opinion on Snake as a person, that will utilize the facts I gathered and shared.

I agree with alot of what you said btw. Aprouching from a purely scientific point of view it is hard to define 'good' and 'bad'. Hard, not impossible. I have many books that have very good points on the subject which I'll put in my opinion portion of the analysis.

Anyways I'm telling you this cause I thought you'd be interested in either the opinion portion or the analysis portion. Or possibly both.

I may do shorter ones on Ocelot, Miller, and maybe Venom. Venom would be killer to do though.

Also I dont have any degree in psychology or anything. Just a passion of mine. Have taken some college classes and high school classes.

So far though I'm seeing that he's got a really bad case of PTSD caused from the situtions he was in (that you mentioned). Plus numerous senses of betrayal. Super summed up there. SUPER.

Anyways peace my man.
Lord English Nov 21, 2018 @ 11:49am 
Originally posted by Crikasaur:
Hey! Lord English. Sorry I haven't replied. Wanted to give you a good responce. So I've been doing my research and making sure I grab right resources. N have my facts straight.

But anyways what I meant by 'bad guys' was not their alignment, but the role of antagonists in the Metal Gear series and the somewhat in the Solid Snake MGS's.

Anyways, your statement on them got me thinking and I'm working on a character analysis on Big Boss (Naked). So far though my opinion on him has shifted a little. I'm seeing him more as an Anakin Skywalker type of character/story. Anyways though. I am going to stay nuetral on the analysis. There will be a second half though that will be my opinion on Snake as a person, that will utilize the facts I gathered and shared.

I agree with alot of what you said btw. Aprouching from a purely scientific point of view it is hard to define 'good' and 'bad'. Hard, not impossible. I have many books that have very good points on the subject which I'll put in my opinion portion of the analysis.

Anyways I'm telling you this cause I thought you'd be interested in either the opinion portion or the analysis portion. Or possibly both.

I may do shorter ones on Ocelot, Miller, and maybe Venom. Venom would be killer to do though.

Also I dont have any degree in psychology or anything. Just a passion of mine. Have taken some college classes and high school classes.

So far though I'm seeing that he's got a really bad case of PTSD caused from the situtions he was in (that you mentioned). Plus numerous senses of betrayal. Super summed up there. SUPER.

Anyways peace my man.

I appreciate you taking the time to construct a detailed response. When you say you're 'working on a character analysis', are you referring to a text or video format?

Your Anakin Skywalker comparison is apt. Mr Dent's quote, 'You either die a hero, or you live ong enough to see yourself become the villain' would also become extremely apt.

Naked Snake started out, undoubtedly, as a hero, but was consistenly subkected to so much ♥♥♥♥ in his life that he, perhaps inevitably, becomes the "bad guy". The list of awful things he experienced, off the top of my head:

MGS: SE - Betrayed, attacked and left almost for dead by his mentor, the Boss; physically tortured; mentally tortured by the Spirit guy*; had his eye shot out; forced to kill his mentor, the Boss and betrayed by his country

MGS: PW - betrayed by Paz**

MGS: GZ - witnessed the death of hundreds, if not thousands of his comrades; witnessed the destruction of all of his hard work for the past x amount of years; being in a coma for 9 years

That is not an insubstantial list and would, as you mentioned, cause some form of PTSD is even the most harderned veterans of war.

I look forward to reading or viewing your analysis of Naked Snake. Venom Snake would be an awesome character to analyse as well for a plethora of reasons.

* Haven't played the game in a decade
** Played the game through once, can barely recall the storyline
Lord English Nov 21, 2018 @ 11:51am 
Originally posted by HighRoller:
Originally posted by Tankfriend:
Rather, it was a self-gratifying, egotistical and cheap revenge move.
Self-gratifying and cheap because it's only at this very moment of Skull Face's complete defeat that loud-mouthed coward Huey has to go and get his tiny little bit of power play done.
And egotistical, because he only wants to figuratively "have the last word" against Skull Face - he doesn't seem to consider that just leaving Skull Face to slowly die in agony would be a much heavier revenge move than straight up killing him.

Huey did the right thing to shoot Skull Face, cause Skull Face was kinda immortal thanks to his parasites. I guess only something like a headshot or fire could really killed him. Otherwise he would have been lying there without limbs for a long time and probably get rescued by some survived XOF soldiers or somebody else.

Revenge is best served cold!

Debatable. After all the suffering, misery and death he caused, he deserved to spend some time suffering as well. Huey gave him the easy way out.
Crikasaur Nov 21, 2018 @ 12:03pm 
Ha me too been way to long since I played it Naked's games.

Its gunna be text.


True to what you said bout skullface. Also though one way to look at it, who are we to be the judge and jury and decide what another deserves? That could be used in Huey's deffence but also on the flip side the man has done ALOT of crimes and needed to be put to stop and understand that he cant just walk over others as he pleases.
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