Fighting child soldiers really....

[dooorman]

YIKES

[반딧불 세레]

These are the kinds of people who need to be on a watchlist. Not being able to dissasociate video game from reality is really dangerous. Being immersed into a video game is great. Letting it alter your reality is insane.

[dooorman]

Originally posted by 반딧불 세레:

These are the kinds of people who need to be on a watchlist. Not being able to dissasociate video game from reality is really dangerous. Being immersed into a video game is great. Letting it alter your reality is insane.

Wait are you talking to me.

[dooorman]

Originally posted by Insanity:

Originally posted by dooorman:

In shot it rubs me the wrong way thats all, I just have different boundaries i dont like to see in games.

It's a video game ffs. It is rated M for a reason, if you cannot handle it I advise refunding it or not purchasing any more mature rated games.

I dont mind the game as a whole its just that bit i felt they couldve explained it better, I just dont get why they are in the game (unless i missed it in the previous titles or just missed it in the game at some point for whatever reason). I get the whole thing in africa in real life I guess they got ideas from that. If it adds to the story and has valid reason why they are in I will drop this and say im wrong but for me it feels they just threw them in for the sake of it.

[Stogie]

Originally posted by dooorman:

Comparing Metal Gear and reality nice one

The entire Metal Gear's franchises story is heavily politicized and tied in to real life events that occur in history (Like the world wars). Child soldiers have been a thing throughout history and even in modern times in places like Africa. The comparison isn't a crazy one.

[Insanity]

Originally posted by dooorman:

Originally posted by Insanity:

It's a video game ffs. It is rated M for a reason, if you cannot handle it I advise refunding it or not purchasing any more mature rated games.

I dont mind the game as a whole its just that bit i felt they couldve explained it better, I just dont get why they are in the game (unless i missed it in the previous titles or just missed it in the game at some point for whatever reason). I get the whole thing in africa in real life I guess they got ideas from that. If it adds to the story and has valid reason why they are in I will drop this and say im wrong but for me it feels they just threw them in for the sake of it.

Well if you understand the setting then how is it even a question? There's obvious answers, clearly you're either trolling or have no critical thinking skills.

[Jerry Can]

Originally posted by dooorman:

I dont mind the game as a whole its just that bit i felt they couldve explained it better, I just dont get why they are in the game (unless i missed it in the previous titles or just missed it in the game at some point for whatever reason). I get the whole thing in africa in real life I guess they got ideas from that. If it adds to the story and has valid reason why they are in I will drop this and say im wrong but for me it feels they just threw them in for the sake of it.

If I could discern one theme that applies to the entire Metal Gear franchise, it's the role of soldiers in the world. I think that having the gamer encounter child soldiers is meant to provoke some reflection on the real child soldiers of the world; How could people ever allow this? What kind of people are they forced to become?

Eli, Solid Snake, Raiden, and even Mantis (the floating boy) were forced into horrible lives with no choice. Is anyone really ever BORN to be a soldier?

[AsianGirlLover]

Kaz knows how to deal with those hoodlums
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZY7QCBMWoE
"Boss, your next mission will be in the heart of Africa, so I've taken the liberty of setting up a Cotton Plantation Platform back at Mother Base. Check it out on your iDroid.

[BeefyBearded]

Originally posted by AsianGirlLover:

Kaz knows how to deal with those hoodlums
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZY7QCBMWoE
"Boss, your next mission will be in the heart of Africa, so I've taken the liberty of setting up a Cotton Plantation Platform back at Mother Base. Check it out on your iDroid.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ thats funny

[Danlore]

Originally posted by dooorman:

YIKES

You must be a special snowflake, aren't you?
Metal Gear might not be all realistic, but one of the things it takes seriously is the horrors of war, which obviously includes child soldiers. I mean, Big Boss was talking about having child soldiers back in Metal Gear 1 and 2 on the MSX, so stop acting like this is not "metal gear".

Maybe try working on growing out that penis from your vagina, hmm? :D

[!RJ_Truth]

Originally posted by Danlore:

Originally posted by dooorman:

YIKES

You must be a special snowflake, aren't you?
Metal Gear might not be all realistic, but one of the things it takes seriously is the horrors of war, which obviously includes child soldiers. I mean, Big Boss was talking about having child soldiers back in Metal Gear 1 and 2 on the MSX, so stop acting like this is not "metal gear".

Maybe try working on growing out that P3N!5 from your V@G!N@, hmm? :D

Sorry, I absolutely despise the hearts. At least this way someone can see what you mean without having to figure it out.

[CC]

Hmmmm.. [gyazo.com]

This goes way back to the very first Metal Gear games.

Let's not forget Raiden was a child soldier as he admitted it himself in the 2001 game MGS2:SoL.

Child soldiers are also featured in the 2013 (2014 for PC) itteration of Metal Gear called Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance.

So no..child soldiers aren't a "new thing" in the MGS universe.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by dooorman:

Originally posted by 1-800-GAYBOY:

ok so what was the point of this?

For me children in games either in this form or in them strange asian / anime games just makes me feel awkward I dunno. This is my first Metal Gear so i was just supried to see it be a big part of a game. Is it like this in the others.

It’s not a positive thing, and the game handles the subject with respect. Big Boss is also the series villain (one of them), so him recruiting other child soldiers is supposed to reflect that. Metal Gear is full of real life issues being handled this way. It’s uncomfortable, but it’s supposed to be uncomfortable. You do get penalized for fighting them though, but the fact you’re basically kidnapping them is supposed to be villainous. Big Boss is already making a military nation beyond control of a nation, with a nuke on top of that.

[Myst Leissa]

Can I just remind everyone: Since the beginning of the MGS Series - Hideo Kojima has made it his mission to expose the cruelty, savagery, and brutality of war? Sure Child Soldiers are a bit of a taboo topic irl - but this is a video game developed by a creative (if somewhat sick :P) genius who put people in roles they would never have had in real life. Survive actually disappoints me without even owning it since it didn't have that creative spark that puts MGS firmly in the Mindset of a maniac. The Whole point of having a video game where you can do things like this - is so that people have an outlet to avoid doing such stupid things in real life (not to mention the most basic purpose of ANY game - to have fun). If you can't seperate reality from gaming - i question whether you should even be allowed to play T-rated games let alone M-rated. There is a difference between walking up to a guy in a video game and killing him as opposed to doing the same to an actual person in real life.

[Myst Leissa]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by dooorman:

For me children in games either in this form or in them strange asian / anime games just makes me feel awkward I dunno. This is my first Metal Gear so i was just supried to see it be a big part of a game. Is it like this in the others.

It’s not a positive thing, and the game handles the subject with respect. Big Boss is also the series villain (one of them), so him recruiting other child soldiers is supposed to reflect that. Metal Gear is full of real life issues being handled this way. It’s uncomfortable, but it’s supposed to be uncomfortable. You do get penalized for fighting them though, but the fact you’re basically kidnapping them is supposed to be villainous. Big Boss is already making a military nation beyond control of a nation, with a nuke on top of that.

Technically they never fight for you - they may be abductd from their homes - but they never again see the front lines. And technically the series puts a spin on the idea by saying that your "preventing them from suffering a worse fate" - because let's face it - if it WERE real life - they have no home/family to go back to lest they fall back into the pitfalls of war.

The basic premise of Big Boss is not that of a villian, but rather that of an anti-hero. The difference is somewhat symantec - but the idea is that a vilian is pure evil, while an anti-hero is actually a force of good - they just do so in ways that don't comply with them being "inside the law of man".

A Good Example of a "True" Villian - would be Skull Face, or Fatman from MGS2 - people who absolutely have no respect for anything the world does - and think only to destroy in vengence.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Nysch:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

It’s not a positive thing, and the game handles the subject with respect. Big Boss is also the series villain (one of them), so him recruiting other child soldiers is supposed to reflect that. Metal Gear is full of real life issues being handled this way. It’s uncomfortable, but it’s supposed to be uncomfortable. You do get penalized for fighting them though, but the fact you’re basically kidnapping them is supposed to be villainous. Big Boss is already making a military nation beyond control of a nation, with a nuke on top of that.

Technically they never fight for you - they may be abductd from their homes - but they never again see the front lines. And technically the series puts a spin on the idea by saying that your "preventing them from suffering a worse fate" - because let's face it - if it WERE real life - they have no home/family to go back to lest they fall back into the pitfalls of war.

The basic premise of Big Boss is not that of a villian, but rather that of an anti-hero. The difference is somewhat symantec - but the idea is that a vilian is pure evil, while an anti-hero is actually a force of good - they just do so in ways that don't comply with them being "inside the law of man".

The quote you pointed out shows how hypocritical Big Boss is. He took them away from war and planned to train them for war on his side. Chico was a similar case. Big Boss is supposed to be a questionable character, but by the end of Peace Walker, he is long beyond redemption. I do agree with everything else you said and how the story is meant to be ugly on purpose. Metal Gear is known for that and it’s great.