METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

Denuvo
What is this ? why is bad or good ?
I know this is a Metal Gear ''forum''
But i heard that metal gear also have ''Denuvo''
thx
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Oh no... Not again.
Misa 7. Jan. 2019 um 18:32 
Oh no.... This can't be happening
ED13 7. Jan. 2019 um 18:44 
www.google.com and you shall find your answer.
Denuvo is DRM - Data Rights Management. It helps protect the rights of the developer by encrypting the executable making it hard to crack. The only people against it are those that support piracy.

It's good because it protects the intellectual property rights of the developer.

It's bad because it has the potential to slow the system or game down a little. If the developer actually designed the game well and it's well optimized like Metal Gear Solid here, then this actually has little to no impact whatsoever. On poorly designed levels or levels where the developer has added way more assets than what the system can actually handle like a couple levels in Hitman 2016, then even a slight adverse effect can seem like a major issue. Reality in the latter example is the fault of the developer though, not the fault of Denuvo. It's just easy to blame Denuvo.

Edit:

Although the current version of Denuvo has already been cracked, so right now it's pretty well useless. I'm looking forward to seeing the next version and see how long it takes them to crack it, if it at all. This version took them 3 months and they nearly gave up. Strengthen the encryption much more and there will never be computer game piracy again.

I'm thinking Double folded 256 bit encryption behind a randomly generated key should do the trick.
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There's also the fact that people are afraid of what'll happen to Denuvo using games if/when the Denuvo servers go down.

It's an incredibly double edged sword, where the positive edge isn't very sharp. Many can see this as very anti-consumer and obnoxious. The people that are against it are mostly against it on principal, and not the actual functionality
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beautiful Ham Sandwich:
Many can see this as very anti-consumer and obnoxious. The people that are against it are mostly against it on principal, and not the actual functionality

True, they based their opinion off a "What If" scenario rather than what actually is.

What if.... this
What if.... that

You can "What if" yourself out of anything, but that is living life out of fear of something that isn't even an issue at all.
Misa 7. Jan. 2019 um 19:56 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von GEEK 🅳🅾🅲🆃🅴🆁:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beautiful Ham Sandwich:
Many can see this as very anti-consumer and obnoxious. The people that are against it are mostly against it on principal, and not the actual functionality

True, they based their opinion off a "What If" scenario rather than what actually is.

What if.... this
What if.... that

You can "What if" yourself out of anything, but that is living life out of fear of something that isn't even an issue at all.
:spthumb:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von GEEK 🅳🅾🅲🆃🅴🆁:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Beautiful Ham Sandwich:
Many can see this as very anti-consumer and obnoxious. The people that are against it are mostly against it on principal, and not the actual functionality

True, they based their opinion off a "What If" scenario rather than what actually is.

What if.... this
What if.... that

You can "What if" yourself out of anything, but that is living life out of fear of something that isn't even an issue at all.
To each his own, video games are a luxury to me so either stance is acceptable in my eyes. I'm a bit more neutral on it now
Denuvo is an anti drm, can cause problems, but not nearly as obnoxious as the conspiracy theorist steam groups who review bomb a game (and then pirate) at the mention of it having denuvo
Jokery 8. Jan. 2019 um 16:30 
people complain about denuvo server go down =))) game server go down first before denuvo servers
Cloak 9. Jan. 2019 um 14:50 
Denuvo is a scam that collects money from stupid developers because the game gets cracked anyways. The End.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cloak:
Denuvo is a scam that collects money from stupid developers because the game gets cracked anyways. The End.

Denuvo took what was typically a 24 hour crack time into a 3 month endeavor and they nearly gave up. Denuvo needs to up their game and release the next generation encryption. Will you continue to say that after the next version that the crack teams throw their hands in the air and say screw it?
Ursprünglich geschrieben von GEEK 🅳🅾🅲🆃🅴🆁:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cloak:
Denuvo is a scam that collects money from stupid developers because the game gets cracked anyways. The End.

Denuvo took what was typically a 24 hour crack time into a 3 month endeavor and they nearly gave up. Denuvo needs to up their game and release the next generation encryption. Will you continue to say that after the next version that the crack teams throw their hands in the air and say screw it?
Every game will be cracked. I know from personal experience and have talked to a few fellows indirectly, there are lots of them working on this stuff. I remember how lame Starforce was and that many devs made patches to remove it partially because it was cracked in no time. I remember playing games before official release, and in English. Even if it took 3 months the next one will go down all the same, making deeper encryption will make another "Starforce" situation again where it impinged on customers so much they will end up patching it out and making public announcements that they will not use it again like Ubi did way back in the day(2006). No publisher is going to push DRM as harsh as in the past because today many games hook into online services making it tons easier just to buy on Steam.

I remember back in the day on Demonoid how much money I saved as a young teen trying lots of games. This was back before Steam had a refund policy mind you, if you bought a stinker that was money wasted. If I liked a game I bought it 9 times out of 10, though some games were too short and non-replayable for me to do so. I personally uploaded a lot of older games in .iso format. Stuff like Starship Troopers Terran Ascendancy and Alpha Centauri with the expansion pack, Jurassic Park Operation Genesis for PC, Heavy Gear and Heavy Gear 2, Space Empires 4/5, Dungeon Keeper 2, AvP2 from Monolith with the no-cd patch that was virus-free. I even uploaded that awful Starship Troopers FPS because I was raised on that movie since I was in Kindergarten. I would always virus-scan then pack my games with official patches, take pictures of the box manual and discs, and include install instructions that would work for me and on what spec system I was using. This was especially helpful for Heavy Gear since that only ran on Win95/98SE or under certain settings I used myself on Linux WINE. All of this before GOG existed.

As a side note I also managed to get my hands on .pdf format scans of the 1996 Aliens: Colonial Marines Technical Manual. Not a game but this was a sweet rarity, clearly written by someone with an eye for realism and intimate knowledge of how real firearms work and were used.

Demonoid was raided a few times and I checked in occasionally. I got letters if I ever downloaded newer movies or shows (not a letter for the entire SG-1 series, no respect) but it seemed no one gave a rip about games. GOG finally did come around but most of that stuff I uploaded is still not on GOG to this day which is a friggin shame. Demonoid is decrepit and these are gems with various gameplay elements that would be considered edgy and revolutionary today if you ignore the aged graphics. I keep them on my flash drives to save my discs and they need low-level coding to become compatible with modern OS's, getting that stuff to run on XP was fairly easy for the most part but getting it all to run on Win7 is a nightmare.

Today if I was a teen and had to do it again in 2018 I would just catch Steam Winter and Summer sales, I buy a half-year supply of games around these 2 sale events. Piracy was not purely right and wrong, in the 2000's things were quite a bit more wild-westish and lots of customers would get screwed over with early digital distribution services that would only let you download a game 2-4 times and tell you to save it or else you will lose it. Lots of fringe games that couldn't run on lots of PC's because devs were too small and info too sparse to fix the issues. I gained a very high competency with hardware, software, and networking on the way as well as dealing with people indirectly through the web. Things are just different today, I don't think anyone can replicate the circumstances of that time to gain the same experiences I had. No regrets, not a "pirate" anymore but I make sure to spread legacy games and oddities that you cannot buy or find in any legal manner online. It's a sort of legal limbo like SNES .Roms are in, and no one will care until they start selling the game legally again which at that point I am fine taking the torrents down since it's available again.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von T-Bone Biggins:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von GEEK 🅳🅾🅲🆃🅴🆁:

Denuvo took what was typically a 24 hour crack time into a 3 month endeavor and they nearly gave up. Denuvo needs to up their game and release the next generation encryption. Will you continue to say that after the next version that the crack teams throw their hands in the air and say screw it?
Every game will be cracked. I know from personal experience and have talked to a few fellows indirectly, there are lots of them working on this stuff.

*snipped book of useless unrelated drivel*


Of course everything has the potential of being cracked. If it takes them a year instead of 3 months, it would be well worth it to the developer. If they nearly gave up after 3 months trying to crack denuvo, exactly how long would they work on it before they actually did give up?

The whole point of it is to protect initial sales, so the longer they can delay it the better off they are. Then on top of that, how many different new games will add it during the uncrackable time period? Many did with Denuvo. Make it 256 bit double encrypted, throw in a randomly generated key to the encryption and it's going to take a really HUGE chunk of time.

The rest of what you said had no bearing whatsoever on anything regarding DRM. It sounded more like a brag of games you've pirated rather than an actual rational discussion on Denuvo or DRM.

Yes everything can eventually be cracked, but at what cost? If they nearly gave up with the current 64bit encryption, what will it be like when they up it to 128 bit or 256 bit and start adding random key generation. It's something to think about.
Misa 10. Jan. 2019 um 23:39 
why people can't just you know go to work and buy the games...? It's not that hard
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