Where was Solid Snake during TPP

[Tracer Bullet]

Young Liquid is all over the place in TPP. He's an all around stick in the mud the whole game and plays a big part in the story but i don't remember anything about Solid Snake.

I'm going to postulate it and say that Venom Boss was Liquids father figure and Venom, being a demonic entity, passed the evil way of life down onto Liquid and Liquid learned to be an evil cuss.

Solid went with the real Big Boss and learned how to be a stand up guy and save the world and all of that.

[Deathraven13]

Wrong, The real BB is the "father" of Liquid, Solid and Solidus.

Who cares about Solid Snake past ? He is a fictionnal character.

[Seamus]

Solid and Liquid are twins. Kinda hard to have different fathers.

David was off having a non-garbage childhood unlike Eli.

[Punished Miller]

It's a mystery on how the hell Solid managed to defeat Liquid honestly. Solid had a normal childhood and only at his late teens did he start his military training. His first combat experience was at the age of 19 during the Gulf War. Only after that did he start his real training with Foxhound.

Liquid on the other hand was already a combat Veteran at the age of 12! At the age of 7 (!!!) he somehow managed to escape from Zero's guards into Africa wildness. He survived by himself in a war-torn environment at the age of 7. That is absolutely ridiculous. While Solid was playing with his toy cars in mommy's apartment, Liquid was in the middle of nowhere fighting PMCs and making a name of himself. And if that wasn't enough, he wasn't an easy target for Venom. A 12 year old child challenging MSF's and Big Boss' greatest combatant.

And yet Solid manages to defeat him because reasons.

[Tracer Bullet]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Solid and Liquid are twins. Kinda hard to have different fathers.

David was off having a non-garbage childhood unlike Eli.

That's why I said "father figure".

I get that Solid didn't have the same experience as Liquid, but what kind of an experience did he have? Is it explained somewhere in another game?

[Tracer Bullet]

Originally posted by Punished Miller:

It's a mystery on how the hell Solid managed to defeat Liquid honestly. Solid had a normal childhood and only at his late teens did he start his military training. His first combat experience was at the age of 19 during the Gulf War. Only after that did he start his real training with Foxhound.

Liquid on the other hand was already a combat Veteran at the age of 12! At the age of 7 (!!!) he somehow managed to escape from Zero's guards into Africa wildness. He survived by himself in a war-torn environment at the age of 7. That is absolutely ridiculous. While Solid was playing with his toy cars in mommy's apartment, Liquid was in the middle of nowhere fighting PMCs and making a name of himself. And if that wasn't enough, he wasn't an easy target for Venom. A 12 year old child challenging MSF's and Big Boss' greatest combatant.

And yet Solid manages to defeat him because reasons.

I don't think it's that much of a mystery. Liquid's personality, especially as Eli, is deeply flawed. He's violent and unpredictable, and also seems to have a lot of self loathing. He's his own worst enemy.

Solid was just more "solid" and when they clashed, Liquid defeated himself (which was probably a manifestation of his self loathing and want to die because he sucks as a person.

:)

[abcd]

Originally posted by Punished Miller:

And yet Solid manages to defeat him because reasons.

Once Grey Fox disabled Rex's railcannon, Liquid's Plan A was over. He had to resort to Plan B, which was to forcibly trigger his own foxdie by almost beating Solid. That's why he did silly things like challenge Solid to a C4 fistfight, but Solid kept surprising him and winning.

His foxdie triggered during the jeep chase because he was literally about to win.

[Tracer Bullet]

Originally posted by Themself:

Originally posted by Punished Miller:

And yet Solid manages to defeat him because reasons.

Once Grey Fox disabled Rex's railcannon, Liquid's Plan A was over. He had to resort to Plan B, which was to forcibly trigger his own foxdie by almost beating Solid. That's why he did silly things like challenge Solid to a C4 fistfight, but Solid kept surprising him and winning.

His foxdie triggered during the jeep chase because he was literally about to win.

I forget how bonkers the whole thing is.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by aaaahhhh:

Originally posted by Themself:

Once Grey Fox disabled Rex's railcannon, Liquid's Plan A was over. He had to resort to Plan B, which was to forcibly trigger his own foxdie by almost beating Solid. That's why he did silly things like challenge Solid to a C4 fistfight, but Solid kept surprising him and winning.

His foxdie triggered during the jeep chase because he was literally about to win.

I forget how bonkers the whole thing is.

Ignore Themself. Everything he posts related to the story is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and bad fanfics that only vaguely resemble what happened.

[abcd]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Originally posted by aaaahhhh:

I forget how bonkers the whole thing is.

Ignore Themself. Everything he posts related to the story is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and bad fanfics that only vaguely resemble what happened.

Ignore Seamus, he has some sort of weird grudge against me and refuses to listen to anything I say. ALMOST as if he's trying to GASLIGHT me, doing his one trick over and over and over. (Unless you're secretly an outright horrible person, and you know other tricks...?)

And yeah, it's pretty bonkers. I think it's the one game that never got retconned, because it's almost completely self-contained.

[Seamus]

Originally posted by Themself:

Originally posted by Seamus:

Ignore Themself. Everything he posts related to the story is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and bad fanfics that only vaguely resemble what happened.

Ignore Seamus, he has some sort of weird grudge against me and refuses to listen to anything I say. ALMOST as if he's trying to GASLIGHT me, doing his one trick over and over and over. (Unless you're secretly an outright horrible person, and you know other tricks...?)

And yeah, it's pretty bonkers. I think it's the one game that never got retconned, because it's almost completely self-contained.

Woo, that accusation again. You're rather ♥♥♥♥ at this.

You also have zero proof of ANYTHING you spout about the metal gear story. C'mon, I challenge you. PROVE the ♥♥♥♥ you spout.

[Tracer Bullet]

I want you both to know that I appreciate your input.

I never played MGS 4. I recently came to understand that there were around 10 hours of cutscenes in the game. It looks like 4 was an undertaking dedicated to story and plot, and perhaps not so much gameplay? With all the cutscenes, I can't imagine there being much of a playable game, but I really don't know, and would guess that there is plenty of game to play. Long story short, it's hard for me to gain an interest in learning what happened in 4, even though it's integeral stuff to the overall plot. Therefore, I am lacking in understanding as to what the hell is going on, and rely on my memories of Peace Walker and my pretty solid understanding of TPP to fill in the holes.

When I was reading Themself's posts in his thead about what happened to all the characters, I was amused to read things like Miller blowing his brains out instead of being assassinated by Liquid, among other things. He mixes ♥♥♥♥ that really happened in the games with ♥♥♥♥ that he likes more than what happened in the games and comes out with a pretty interesting counter plot.

You could imagine my confusion when I was trying to parce it all out and realizing that something didn't fit.

I witheld judgement on the TPP plot until I replayed and watched the missions a few times. Honestly, I think the plot is pretty bad-ass as a stand alone game, when it is taken outside of the context of the overall Metal Gear story. I decided this when watching Miller and Venom shoot Skullface to hell and back. I liked the revenge and thought, that if I were those characters in real life, I would feel vindicated and victorious with the outcome of the story. Not to mention Miller's one liner of "do it yourself" when begged by Skullface to "kill me". There are bad-ass moments in the game like that more than once and having always liked Miller as a character, I was happy to see him return to his former self for one last time in the moment of revenge on Skullface. I think that might be the closest he ever came to being whole again, in that moment. Venom as well.

I'm gonna stop before I scare people with too many words, but I'm still wondering WHERE WAS SOLID THE WHOLE TIME?

[Malarraenaepcaleac'h]

Originally posted by Punished Miller:

It's a mystery on how the hell Solid managed to defeat Liquid honestly. Solid had a normal childhood and only at his late teens did he start his military training. His first combat experience was at the age of 19 during the Gulf War. Only after that did he start his real training with Foxhound.

Liquid on the other hand was already a combat Veteran at the age of 12! At the age of 7 (!!!) he somehow managed to escape from Zero's guards into Africa wildness. He survived by himself in a war-torn environment at the age of 7. That is absolutely ridiculous. While Solid was playing with his toy cars in mommy's apartment, Liquid was in the middle of nowhere fighting PMCs and making a name of himself. And if that wasn't enough, he wasn't an easy target for Venom. A 12 year old child challenging MSF's and Big Boss' greatest combatant.

And yet Solid manages to defeat him because reasons.

Because Liquid is little blonde anime japanese trash.

[Alun1]

during the les enfant terribles they produced 3 children, 2 tests and a perfect clone. solidus was the perfect clone while the twins solid and liquid had variations in the gene therapy they recieved.

they were twins yes but very different in combat skill and prowess. which is why solid beat liquid.

at the time of TPP solid would be around the same age as eli, most likely still in a western govt facility.

[BitsOfSkin]

Originally posted by Punished Miller:

It's a mystery on how the hell Solid managed to defeat Liquid honestly. Solid had a normal childhood and only at his late teens did he start his military training. His first combat experience was at the age of 19 during the Gulf War. Only after that did he start his real training with Foxhound.

Liquid on the other hand was already a combat Veteran at the age of 12! At the age of 7 (!!!) he somehow managed to escape from Zero's guards into Africa wildness. He survived by himself in a war-torn environment at the age of 7. That is absolutely ridiculous. While Solid was playing with his toy cars in mommy's apartment, Liquid was in the middle of nowhere fighting PMCs and making a name of himself. And if that wasn't enough, he wasn't an easy target for Venom. A 12 year old child challenging MSF's and Big Boss' greatest combatant.

And yet Solid manages to defeat him because reasons.

Untrained or lesser trained combatants tend to improvise more, aren't stuck in their routines like combat veterans tend to be, and thus are far more unpredictable, and harder to counter with conventional knowledge.

Also, Liquid had an inferiority complex, he basically killed himself.

[abcd]

Originally posted by Seamus:

Woo, that accusation again. You're rather ♥♥♥♥ at this.

You also have zero proof of ANYTHING you spout about the metal gear story. C'mon, I challenge you. PROVE the ♥♥♥♥ you spout.

...huh? am I proving something about the story that you...refuse to specify your confusion regarding? All I've heard out of you lately is a bunch of insults. Honestly I don't get it. Did I...do something to you? I mean, aside from mocking you and pushing your buttons every time you act like the biggest bull in the china shop.

Or is there something else you want me to prove? Plus, you seem a little bit...obsessed with proof? Or proving things...? Exposure in general, maybe?

either way, if you don't specify what you believe makes my story invalid then I have no choice but to assume you're just throwing a tantrum. like always.

Originally posted by aaaahhhh:

You could imagine my confusion when I was trying to parce it all out and realizing that something didn't fit.

I'm not perfect. People generally seem to prefer hurling insults to asking questions or forming counter-arguments though, so I'm not real meticulous with my initial explanations anymore.

MGS4 has a lot of gameplay inbetween the cutscenes, but the levels tend to be designed like hallways so it can be a little bit bland.

Originally posted by aaaahhhh:

but I'm still wondering WHERE WAS SOLID THE WHOLE TIME?

He had a series of foster parents and led a boring, normal life in the US, unaware of pretty much everything. Everyone is very surprised at how successful he is despite his relative lack of experience.