METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN

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Stardust 2019 年 5 月 6 日 上午 10:46
Solid Snake vs Naked Snake
Which is the more popular one?
Big Boss wins in a landslide for me

What about you?And Why?
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~⁧⁧kapacb 2019 年 5 月 6 日 上午 11:38 
Venom
Misa 2019 年 5 月 6 日 下午 1:07 
Explain why big boss win by slandslide.

And explain why solid snake is inferior.


Solid Snake had a hard life and actually got the inferior gene compared to liquid and the perfect clone solidus. Solid is the good guy... Big boss later became bad and killled a bunch of people
Super Cosmic Space Magnet 2019 年 5 月 6 日 下午 4:02 
I prefer Naked Snake, though my reasoning is pretty straightforward. MGS3 was a campy game absolutely crammed with charm and charisma, and Naked Snake had a sense of fun about him even through all the melodrama that happens in these games. Solid Snake is more gritty and deadpan, with little interest beyond cigarette butts and butt butts. His games reflect that with how much more seriously they take themselves. The way the stories are presented is very different too, at the very start Solid Snake is portrayed as this stealth god - with NPCs gushing over how awesome he is even before the player does anything significant. Naked Snake meanwhile is treated like a high value soldier, yes, but not a celebrity. He earns that status by the end of the game, but he doesn't start out as Jack Swaggins.

Both Snakes are great, but where Naked Snake wins by a 'landslide' is in his supporting cast. EVA, Paramedic, Major Zero, and SIGINT were all fantastic supporting characters with fun and memorable interactions and dialogues. Solid Snake has the fantastic voice of Colonel Cambell, but that's about it. I genuinely dislike the weeb scientist man whose name for some reason escapes me, Meryll is alright, and Johnny is a problem in MGS4.

That said I didn't play the DS games where Naked Snake becomes a paedophile so perhaps my opinion is skewed.
最后由 Super Cosmic Space Magnet 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 6 日 下午 4:03
Lar Dass (已封禁) 2019 年 5 月 6 日 下午 6:35 
引用自 kapacb
Venom
Beat sahelanthropus (twice) the man on fire and had the weight of boss' memories and emotional trauma
Krona🥶 2019 年 5 月 6 日 下午 9:53 
I guess Big Boss or Venom is more popular atm since the latest Metal Gear games being prequels. Solid Snake is the technical retro OG and classic.

If we talking about a 1v1 fight then Solid Snake.

As for who is the better character, Still Solid Snake for me. Big Boss's character is full of him having mommy issues being bamboozled over and over thinking what he was doing was what The Boss would have wanted.
最后由 Krona🥶 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 6 日 下午 9:57
JigenDaisuke 2019 年 5 月 7 日 上午 10:29 
I find it unfair to crap on one of them just to make the other one look better, tbh. They are both great characters.
I like Big Boss' backstory more, but that's just a personal preference.
最后由 JigenDaisuke 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 7 日 上午 10:29
~⁧⁧kapacb 2019 年 5 月 7 日 下午 2:53 
引用自 𝓶𝓲𝓼𝓪
Explain why big boss win by slandslide.

And explain why solid snake is inferior.


Solid Snake had a hard life and actually got the inferior gene compared to liquid and the perfect clone solidus. Solid is the good guy... Big boss later became bad and killled a bunch of people
This talks about genes doesn't make a difference cause idea of mgs1 was that not genes made you but yourself, your will and determination
~⁧⁧kapacb 2019 年 5 月 7 日 下午 3:12 
引用自 Lar Dass
引用自 kapacb
Venom
Beat sahelanthropus (twice) the man on fire and had the weight of boss' memories and emotional trauma
I'd like to think that he had interpretation of big boss drama. He is not schizophrenic like an Ocelot, who constantly switching between personalities. So he is just a medic who was convinced that he is Big Boss, so in reality Venom "you are your own man (as said Big Boss)", so Venom and Naked could act differently in same situation
As Naked said "you've written your own history"

P.s. Paz mirage could be also his personal grief(as not understanding why she betrayed crew, cause they loved her and thought that she loved them(Paz's "of course, this is you thinking that I should think that") + memories of Naked
P.p.s. medic could tell the difference between him and naked by himself(The Truth episode, when he saw his real face in reflection) without cassette in the end
Pp.p.s. that's why I like Venom. It's really deep and thoughtful character, who you can interprete differently, depending on how deeply you know the lore or you own sense of life and judgment
Pppp.s. and like in MGS1 Kojima returned to "we are who we made ourselfs" thing, which is beautiful thought
最后由 ~⁧⁧kapacb 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 7 日 下午 3:16
TheOrangeBox 2019 年 5 月 7 日 下午 5:23 
There can be only one Pliskin
Stardust 2019 年 5 月 9 日 上午 10:54 
引用自 𝓶𝓲𝓼𝓪
Explain why big boss win by slandslide.

And explain why solid snake is inferior.


Solid Snake had a hard life and actually got the inferior gene compared to liquid and the perfect clone solidus. Solid is the good guy... Big boss later became bad and killled a bunch of people
We see Naked grow and evolve as a character though his hardships.He has flaws and regrets,something i don't see Solid having. Solid is the ultimate yes man:does what ever his superiors tell him and is an unstoppable soldier
(probably because i started with peace walker)
Godmaster 2019 年 5 月 9 日 下午 12:33 
引用自 Raidanor
We see Naked grow and evolve as a character though his hardships.He has flaws and regrets,something i don't see Solid having. Solid is the ultimate yes man:does what ever his superiors tell him and is an unstoppable soldier
(probably because i started with peace walker)

Well, Solid was a yes man at first and just a pawn, but later on it seems like he follows in Naked's footsteps by making something like a PMC, but this time he's doing it for 'good,' or for retaliation against the already existing military industrial complex and the Patriots by extension.

Naked made a PMC to follow the Boss's will, so that they could be free from influence. Solid made a PMC to be free from the Patriot's influence, so they're actually quite similar in the end. Solid just seemingly didn't become a villain.
Duke Mills 2019 年 5 月 9 日 下午 2:54 
引用自 𝓶𝓲𝓼𝓪
Explain why big boss win by slandslide.

And explain why solid snake is inferior.


Solid Snake had a hard life and actually got the inferior gene compared to liquid and the perfect clone solidus. Solid is the good guy... Big boss later became bad and killled a bunch of people

Big Boss was a victim of circumstance. He lost his parents in Pearl Harbor, [1] he was forced to kill his mentor the Boss who was framed for an attack on the Soviet Union by Colonel Volgin, [2] and then Major Zero sent Paz to weasel her way inside and lead to the events of Ground Zeroes where the entire base got destroyed. [3]

Big Boss also had the clone project done ENTIRELY against his will when Dr. Clark (Paramedic) took his gene samples. Nobody asked his permission to make those cloned sons of his and he never regarded them as his children. It was literally the gender flip of a forced child bearing.


[1] MGS instruction manual bio
[2] MGS3
[3] MGS Peace Walker + Ground Zeroes

I would also like to point out Big Boss has only canonically killed a handful of people. A HANDFUL.

That would be Colonel Volgin, Zadornov, Viper and Cunningham in Portable Ops, and indirectly, Skull Face. Big Boss even in the Outer Heaven days never sought to kill anyone but Solid Snake, he considered Solid Snake an abomination, he was a living mockery that Major Zero and Cipher made of him.

Miller betrayed Big Boss because he felt "used" by the Phantom BB project, when it could have been solved with a very simple conversation.

You factor all of that in and Big Boss would be doing what he felt best for his survival. He was banned as a war criminal from entering any nation allied with the United States, everyone wanted him dead because of all the crimes he got framed for in Portable Ops when he was jailed.

Big Boss was not a criminal, he was not a villain. He was misunderstood and became the scapegoat of everyone else's wrongdoings and governments sweeping things under the rug.
最后由 Duke Mills 编辑于; 2019 年 5 月 9 日 下午 2:54
Stardust 2019 年 5 月 10 日 下午 11:04 
引用自 Godmaster
引用自 Raidanor
We see Naked grow and evolve as a character though his hardships.He has flaws and regrets,something i don't see Solid having. Solid is the ultimate yes man:does what ever his superiors tell him and is an unstoppable soldier
(probably because i started with peace walker)

Well, Solid was a yes man at first and just a pawn, but later on it seems like he follows in Naked's footsteps by making something like a PMC, but this time he's doing it for 'good,' or for retaliation against the already existing military industrial complex and the Patriots by extension.

Naked made a PMC to follow the Boss's will, so that they could be free from influence. Solid made a PMC to be free from the Patriot's influence, so they're actually quite similar in the end. Solid just seemingly didn't become a villain.
Solid did not establish a PMC, his superior,a UN official,aka Campbell told him to investigate and stop Liquid and his PMC,and that's what he did,though he did not know that it was part of Liquid's plan.

Meanwhile Naked was betrayed by everyone, but he still had the will to live,and set out to build a haven for soldiers like himself , so that soldiers do not get treated as disposable tools like he was.
To me Naked is a hero,though the story framed him like a villain
Misa 2019 年 5 月 11 日 上午 12:22 
Solid Snake Will always be the better man

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